Danziger’s cartoon

Jeff Danziger mocks the French Army following a tragic incident in Carcassonne. 17 people were wounded, some severely, including children who were shot through the heart and lungs. By resorting to the usual Anti-French stereotypes, most notably military bungling or cowardice, has Danziger crossed the line or is this acceptable satire?

Remember those cartoons of the Virginia Tech Shootings? What about the editorials cartoons following the Baton Rouge Shootings in February 2008, or the shooting at Green Junior High School on February 12 2008, or the October 10 shooting at Cleveland High School or…

Fact is, none of the above is laughable material never has been and never will. There were cartoons published following some of these events, but they are mostly sombre and though-provoking.

But what if this kind of incident involved the French? Like in Carcassonne, where seventeen people including five children were shot and wounded when a sergeant shot bullets instead of blanks at spectators during a mock hostage rescue operation. The youngest victim is three years old, and was shot in the heart, he is recovering following an operation. One of the two boys present was shot in the lung. One man is still in intensive care. The shooter has been suspended and is now facing charges. Real yuk-yuk material isn’t it?

Well, that’s what Jeff Danziger thinks of this shooting. Two French Soldiers are caricatured, speaking to each other in faux-french with amazement after having shot real bullets “[Expletive] we have been using the real ammunition”. The punch line? “It is so confusing, in war we use blanks”. The cartoon has been published on the New York Times website. How disappointing.

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Merci à Moktarama

45 Replies to “Danziger’s cartoon”

  1. Anything goes when it comes to the French. Annything. No restraint.

    You wouldn’t believe ths sickening things I’ve read about the savage murders of the two French students in London.

    We’re worse than shit to those those people now.

  2. Je crois que cette fois il faudrait exiger des excuses : faire campagne, n’importe quoi, mais quelque chose. Cette fois ci, ils sont allées beaucoup trop loin : c’est autre chose que ce qu’ils font d’habitude. C’est comme si la presse française s’était mise à faire de l’humour sur les mort américains en Irak à cause des “tirs amis”, ou, comme vous l’avez écrit, sur le massacre de Virginia Tech… J’en ai la nausée. On ne doit pas rester sans réaction : ils ont franchi, ici, la dernière limite du tolérable !

  3. Il ne faut pas exagérer, Onion Johnny, ce que tu dis est déjà arrivé. Après tout il n’y a pas eu de mort, et ça fait partie du genre satirique. Je me rappelle quand un airbus iranien avait été abattu par erreur par les Américains au dessus du golfe persique. Le Canard Enchaîné avait publié un dessin où on voyait le capitaine du porte-avion américain qui regardait l’airbus couler avec ses jumelles et disait à son second:”Il faut reconnaître que cet airbus iranien ressemble beaucoup à un airbus iranien”. Et quand Michel Droit avait tué un ami par accident dans une partie de chasse, il y avait eu une ribambelle de dessins satiriques dans le même journal.   

  4. Donc, Jean-Paul, on ne doit rien dire… A ce compte là autant faire des blagues sur les victimes du 11 septembre et leurs familles (comme Ann Coulter ?), ou pourquoi plaisanter sur la mort de soldats de la coalition, tués par des tirs amis ? Faisons cela et vous verrez la réactions des défenseurs autoproclamés de la liberté de parole qu’on trouve aux USA.
    Quant au Canard Enchaîné, ses satyres, parfois déplacées, lui valent procès sur procès…

  5. Non, les procès du Canard (qu’il gagne le plus souvent) ne concernent pratiquement jamais ses dessins. Là je rappelle que personne n’a été tué, et que les accidents de chasse ou de guerre constituent un filon assez classique pour les journaux et dessins satiriques et pour les chansonniers. Rappelons nous celui arrivé récemment à Dick Cheney. Ce n’est pas si différent. Je pense qu’ici on se ridiculiserait et qu’on ne servirait pas ici la cause qu’on prétend servir en se montrant trop pince sans rire.   

  6. Blessées par balle à Carcassonne dimanche dernier lors des journées portes ouvertes du 3e RPIMA, 6 victimes sont encore hospitalisées à Toulouse. 4 autres restent en observation dans les hôpitaux de Montpellier ou Carcassonne. 4 victimes et notamment de jeunes enfants de 4 ans et 6 ans, pourtant blessées par arme de guerre sont déjà sorties de l’hôpital. Un homme de 40 est toujours dans un état grave et sous observation intensive au Centre hospitalier de Carcassonne.

    Le petit Gabriel 3 ans hospitalisé à Purpan, opéré du bras et du cœur. Réveillé mardi, re passé au bloc mercredi après-midi pour réfection du pansement était hier en fin d’après midi dans un état stable.

    Le jeune Loïc 10 ans, souffre encore de plaies “pulmonaires” sont état est jugé “stable”.

    Blessé à la cuisse, Mickaël 9 ans, subit encore des soins à l’hôpital Purpan.

    Les autres victimes hospitalisées à Toulouse sont, physiquement, dans des états jugés satisfaisants et pourraient même sortir dans les prochains jours.

  7. Lecteur assidu du Canard et de Charlie Hebdo, j’en ai vu des dessins et des dessins et des dessins. Certains sont outranciers, mais c’est bien le rôle du journal que de mettre en exergue nos préjugés …  Ce qui est navrant avec Danziger – c’est sa basse hypocrisie car comme tous les French Bashers – il se défoule sur notre compte et dessinant ce qu’ils n’oserait jamais dessiner sur le compte des citoyens de son propre pays.

    En fin de compte, la question n’est pas de désapprouver la question traitée mais de souligner l’hypocrisie par le prisme de l’Anti-Français primaire. Le politiquement correct étant un des outils à notre disposition.

  8. Est-ce que ce monsieur s’est permi les meme caricatures ignobles lors des incidents au Camp Pendleton en 2002 et 2006 ou des Marines ont par inadvertence tué deux de leurs collègues pensant avoir chargé leur fusil de balles à blanc (exactement comme le sodat français) ?

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/11/16/military/14_00_4511_05_06.txt

    J’en doute fort. On se moque pas impénument d’une tragédie militaire aux états-unis et comme les French-bashers sont avant tout des laches…

  9. Le lien ne marche plus.
    tu fais une google search “camp pendleton” + “death”

  10. Onion Johnny #5 “A ce compte là autant faire des blagues sur les victimes du 11 septembre et leurs familles”

    Hum… As-tu (je me permet) déjà vu le sketch de Christophe Alévêque sur le 11 septembre ? Même connaissant le style d’Alévêque très cynique et politiquement incorrect parfois et tout, y’a des choses qui ne sont sûrement pas du goût de nos amis Américains dans ce sketch…
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bw9_christophe-aleveque-les-americains_events

    This was just after Chirac’s reelection (sorry in French with no subtitles) so not veeeery long after 9/11. He clearly mean to be shocking “At first we heard 40 000, 45 000 dead. So we were like um wow, ok, pfiou… what do we do… do we put Champagne in the fridge ? ….”
    This is a poor translation (sorry).

  11. Jeff Danziger had better read this article by Brian Cloughley published in CounterPunch and after reading it, he should crawl like a worm…

    http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley07022008.html
    Sense of Honor, French and US Style

    July 2, 2008
    Compare and Contrast
    Sense of Honor, French and U.S. Style
    By BRIAN CLOUGHLEY
    In France on June 29 a soldier taking part in a demonstration mistakenly fired live rounds instead of blanks.  He wounded 17 people who were watching the display.  The Chief of Staff of the French Army,  General Bruno Cruche,  submitted his resignation to President Sarkozy, who accepted it next day.  There had been speedy analysis of a horrific incident ;  immediate acceptance of responsibility ; then a self-imposed and principled end to a distinguished career by an officer who has set an example in honor and decency for generations of French soldiers.   And for any others who care to take note.
    Compare this incident with the aftermath of the evil scandal at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq,  where scores of Iraqis were tortured by US soldiers in the most disgusting circumstances.  All the victims of casual violence, which was enjoyed so much by their torturers,  as was evident from their happy photographs, were scarred for life, mentally or physically.  Some were murdered in the prison; some died later.  And we don’t know the half of what went on there.  In 2004 US legislators were shown videos and still pictures of even more revolting and degrading atrocities than had been leaked to the public.  There are scores of scenes of dreadful torture that the US administration has ordered to be kept forever secret. 
    A Democrat Senator said these pictures were terrible :  “worse than anything I had anticipated,” but other legislators were not in any way disturbed at the agony endured by the victims of torture by American soldiers :   “I’m probably not the only one up at this table that is more outraged by the outrage than we are by the treatment,”  declared Republican Senator James Inhofe.   (Where do they get such people from?  Are they really human?)   But in spite of the secrecy and the contemptible attitude of those who approve of cruel and filthy degradation of human beings,  we outsiders know enough to state that the Abu Ghraib outrage was despicable and that it was indubitably carried out by the US army.   But did any generals resign over this appalling affair?   Nary a one, of course.
    A few people were court-martialled.   But most charges were reduced,  dismissed,  or dealt with by “non-judicial punishment” – you’ve got to laugh about that particular weasel-wording in spite of all the horror.   Then a female one-star officer was reduced in rank.  Apart from that : nothing – except that the officer appointed to investigate the sickening mayhem, Major General Taguba, ended his career when he recorded the truth.  What a poisoned chalice he was handed :   allow a cover-up and advance to three stars ; or permit the truth to be told and be destroyed for what his peculiar superiors would call “disloyalty”.   And this sort of thing has continued.  Countless atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan have been denied, ignored or covered up.  The conduct of US troops has only too often been horrendous to the point that the phrase “war crimes” is inadequate.   The lies told by US army officers of the highest rank concerning the accidental killing of Pat Tillman by his own comrades in Afghanistan are a blot on the army’s reputation.  But not one of these reptiles resigned.
    What a contrast in honor with French custom.  What a commentary on the different perspectives of “Old Europe” and the strange new US Army.   But what on earth has happened to the code of honor of West Point?   How far down has the US Army gone in its plunge (or surge?) to its seemingly unconditional acceptance of political amorality? 
    Fifteen years ago I attended the graduation parade at West Point of a son of close friends.  Not only was it an impressive ceremony, but I, a cynical old  “seen-it-all”,  was damp-eyed about the attitude of the newly-commissioned young officers.  They were dedicated and keen to serve their country, of course ;  but there was something more.   They had a tangible sense of responsibility to their calling,  the Profession of Arms : they had a sense of honor.  But I wonder where that is now?
    The disgraced and unlamented Donald Rumsfeld, the worst secretary of defense in US history, declared about the atrocities in Abu Ghraib that  “We’re functioning in a – with peacetime restraints, with legal requirements in a wartime situation, in the information age, where people are running around with digital cameras and taking these unbelievable photographs and then passing them off, against the law, to the media, to our surprise, when they had not even arrived in the Pentagon.”   His public relations people quickly conjured up a new statement for him, of course ; but he had shown what he really thought.  His objection was to publicity of torture; not to torture itself.
    Rumsfeld’s generals said nothing.   And the generals of Mr Gates, his successor,  say nothing, either.  Nothing about the war crimes, the deliberate killing of civilians,  the evil of the prisoner cages where torture takes place.   The code of West Point now seems to have gone off at a tangent from  “Duty,  Honor,  Country”.   The West Point oath that future officers will “not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do” appears to have been bent a bit.  No doubt there are very few officers who would cheat or steal. But it seems there are some, and some of high rank, who lie and tolerate lying.
    France’s senior soldier,  General Cruche,  didn’t indulge in the sort of cowardly eye-closing that seems to afflict senior US officers who know of unlawful activities in current operational theatres.  He has a moral code.  He knows that responsibility in the Profession of Arms rests at the top.     Nowhere else.  And when something terrible happened, he resigned.
    Duty, Honor,  Country.
    Brian Cloughley lives in France. His website is http://www.briancloughley.com

  12. Comparing honour French and US style done no less than by a former military man who served in both the British and Australian Armies (read his short bio in his website.

  13. It is not that simple. General Cuche was on his way to retirement in summer, and many people (including myself) believe that the real reason for his resignment is the rude behaviour of the president toward him and toward the army, as well as his strong disapproval of the next budget restriction for the French army.  Cuche is also believed to be quite reluctant toward Sarkozy’s policy in Afghanistan. Clearly Sarkozy has very difficult and tense relations with the military. 

  14. Jean-Paul,

    Whatever the sentiments of Gen Cuche vis a vis Pres Sarkozy is irrelevant on the issue of command responsibility — we may very well believe that because he is on the way out, i.e., retiring soon, got nothing to lose, etc., hence he decided to resign, etc, etc, but the bottom line is that he accepted command responsibility and handed his resignation knowing it was the only thing to do… in other words, it IS simple… all other considerations take a back seat… sense of honour for the French army is therefore INTACT!

  15. As Brian Cloughley wrote in his article,

     [Gen Cruche] … has a moral code.  He knows that responsibility in the Profession of Arms rests at the top.     Nowhere else.  And when something terrible happened, he resigned.

    (hihglights mine)

  16. Sorry about the “Cruche” — my bad, I mistook our noblest general for a pitcher…

    I was saying it’s about time France recovered its long-held recognition for fine acheivment in the military profession. We’re not just talking about the heroes of Borodino here, but of the seriousness, professionality and commitment of French military personnel. We’ve got some brilliant chaps in there, absolutely first class, and it’s about time they stopped getting ridiculed by ignorant chickenhawks!

  17. The French are no wimps…

    Now it can be told: Bush the bully tried to bully Sarkozy last year. One may like or dislike Sarkozy but he sure showed Bush that he couldn’t bully the French.

    G8: “Ferocious dispute” between George Bush and Nicolas Sarkozy

    This year’s G8 summit in Toyako, on the island of Hokkaido in Japan began today with a revelation by former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe that President Bush and President Sarkozy had a “ferocious verbal dispute” during last year’s G8 summit .

  18. Jesus Christ, I just saw (in Miquelon’s news tube) that terrible Sri Lanka article in which the author (coming from the most victorious, most glorious nation of Sri Lanka) says the French have always surrendered, from Vercingetorix to Napoleon III to Pétain.

    Amazing…

    If the fellow knew that, over so many years of war, the Gauls had lost a fourth of their population due to casualties, retaliations and Roman genocide, and Vercingetorix was the very last, futile attempt…

    If the fellow knew that, rather than surrendering outright, after the disaster of Sedan was the heroic sacrifice of the Franc-tireurs, the selfless resistance in the siege of Paris, the determined attempt at re-building the army by the new republic…

    If he knew of the 100,000 casualties in the first month of the battle of France…

    He mentions Waterloo. Waterloo was not a surrender, it was an honest battle which was only won due to the timely arrival of Blücher, effectively outnumbering the French 2:1

    And it makes one think, when petty nations such as Sri Lanka feel brave enough to spit on the history of a great country like France, and forego its numberless exploits, which make their Sri Lankan feats pale in comparison, you can really see that Big Brother (the US) has truly instilled a true sentiment of hatred and spite into their hearts…

  19. Jeff Danziger’s response to the editorial. With kind permission.

    “Sorry you feel that way. My disgust is not with the French people, but with the idiot who couldn’t tell the difference between live shells and blanks. Using to old joke about French military prowess is cheap, I admit, but there is some truth to it. They hardly distinguished themselved in World War Two, after all. I didn’t make that part up. In addition, I was not trying to say the situation was “laughable”, but certainly worth of disdain, and many French agree.

    (…)  For the record, I am an ardent francophile, and regularly attend the cartoon festival in St. Just-le-Martel near Limoges. I write frequently for the French site, http://www.courrierinternational.com
    All best wishes,
    Jeff Danziger”

  20. ask the [no name calling please] ( a francophile of course, aren’t they all ?) what kind of cartoon he made for the camp Pendleton killings

  21. I was reading the “Damned Frogs are le rudest tourists in da world” article by the Time… Well, André, each year you’ve that sort of article who ranks the worst tourist in the whole world : two or three years ago, the were British, the last year they were Americans…
    Along with them and the Germans, we are ALWAYS ranked as amongst the worst kind of tourist.  In fact that sort of polls are completely unreliable, as another with the same method on the same subject but carried by a different company would have certainly different result… So don’t worry, André…
    I would remind you that the Time also proclamed the death of French culture, and proclaimed Putin as man of the year, along with nice folks as Hiro-Hito, Stalin and if I am not wrong, Adolf the Nice Guy himself !
    And, let celebrate ! After all, we win…

  22. Mr. Danziger is as francophile as Matt Groening : behind us it’s all “screw da Frogs, they’re no humans !” while before us, in Paris (the only town in France, apparently !) almost always, it’s more “Oh! La ! La ! La France ! But I adore your magnificent country ! With all that class, the femme fatale…” They remind me a bit of Pepé Le Pew and the hunchback that the knight of Lagardère plays to fool Gonzague (“Merci, Monseigneur !”)
    You know what, I start to like Howard Stern : he truly hates us ! And he would be no afraid to tell us ! That is more honest !

  23. I was thinking about the Sri Lankan article (pro-gov. apparently), calling us the worst cowards the World has ever seen. I had read it a long time ago, and, for some time, I considered to answer to the journalist and to post here, about this, but I did not, because I am to tired to deal endlessly with bigots, countering his overused rants with overemployed arguments.
    Let it suffice to say that the Sri Lankan military is not able to control nearly a half of its own territory, which, appart from the tragedy that Sri-Lankan are living, made me think that mocking the French army is beyond any form of irony.
    Until Sarkozy takes presidential office, France had a good reputation in Middle and Far East…
    So the francophobic attitudes were rather confined to a quite small elite (most generally businessmen class which is not, at least in the anglosphere, exactly renowned for its francophilia). But, ironicaly, since we became America’s new poodle, one can assume that reputation somewhat plummeted (see China’s row and the “spontaneous” albeit short demonstrations of francophobia), but, as Disraeli would say, they are lies, damned lies, and statistics…

  24. Re Jeff Danzinger’s drivel:

    “Using to old joke about French military prowess is cheap, I admit, but there is some truth to it. They hardly distinguished themselved in World War Two, after all.”

    Not only cheap it’s pure vomit…As to his truth — I don’t know what that was all about; that part of the French population who fought in the war more than made up for those who followed Vichy, so he should cut the crap. I suggest that he go back to the drawing board and read history.

    If he had fought in any war and had fought in a war himself, I might have a bit more respect for him but taking cheap shots is just being plain nasty. 

    Re: “… and regularly attend the cartoon festival in St. Just-le-Martel near Limoges.” Maybe he should come to my side of town and we’ll test his bravoura in person!

    Ardent Francophile he says? Well, then he’ll understand if he’s told VTFF!

  25. andré,

    Re: “which make their Sri Lankan feats pale in comparison,”

    Someone should tell the author of that article that he should explain why Sri Lankans are considered the cannibals of south Asia!

  26. The most obnoxious, if we really want to define the obnoxious tourist is the American tourist who’s usually so parochial and who believes that by increasing his screams, people will understand what he’s trying to say.

  27. About the Ski Lankan article (@29 – Onion Johnny) – I think this article would have been impossible to write in pre-Google days. The author simply googled anti-French materials, much like the anti-French protests in China, and recycled photographs, ideas and anti-French drivel from sites like the one we all know but shall not name.

    The web has made hate-speech so much easier by providing  prehashed hate materials.

  28. (@28 – Onion Johnny) – About Howard Stern, he’s the grandaddy of French Bashing, and most of his comments are at the roots of Smigel / Miller / Leno’s bashing, and he justifies all French Bashing by constanly referring to World War II and Vichy France.

  29. Onion Johnny,

    Re: “But, ironicaly, since we became America’s new poodle,”

    Sarkozy being feted in the White House doesn’t entail France being a poodle. But maybe there’s something you know that I don’t — and would like to know since when did we become America’s new poodle?

    For info, France is still a thorn on America’s side at NATO despite “promises” by Sarkozy to Bush that we’d increase troop participation in Afghanistan. American delegates at NATO are frankly at their wits’ ends over French recalcitrance on many issues affecting NATO (and by gum, I totally approve of this attitude by France!!!!!)

    If you are referring to France’s “desire” to become an integral part of NATO, (allow me to borrow Jean Paul’s line) it’s not that simple: It’s more political than that — France wants to a larger say in the operational scheme of things and I suspect would like to capture the 2nd in command position at SACEUR at the very least.

  30. A Hillblogger :
    Désolé, j’écris en français, parce que ma maîtrise de l’anglais n’est pas parfaite.
    L’expression “America’s poodle” est excessive, certes, mais elle n’est pas totalement injustifiée. Nicolas Sarkozy fait bien quand il nous réconcilie avec les EU, c’est indéniable.
    Cela dit, l’empressement presque servile manifesté fréquemment à l’égard de cette administration américaine actuelle qui est surtout connu pour son hypocrisie, sa corruption et surtout son incompétence, ne me parait idéal. Ne vous méprenez pas : je n’ai rien contre le fait qu’il passe ses vacances aux EU, ni qu’il cherche à nous réconcilier avec eux, mais je pense qu’il aurait dû attendre le départ de Bush : s’associer à leur clique dans ce contexte n’est pas habile…
    Il n’est pas malaisé de comprendre, en outre, les ardeurs belliqueuses de notre bien-aimé gouvernement sur l’Iran (une intervention d’une rare bêtise, surtout que nous n’avons pas les moyens de nos ridicules menaces), ou la Chine (notre habituelle attitude hypocrite et moralisatrice, justifiée sur le Tibet dans l’absolu, mais déplacée), comme étant une volonté forcenée de s’alligner sur les “faucons” (déplumés depuis peu) de Washington.
    Quant à l’OTAN, je ne suis pas sûr que nous y gagnons : les Américains décident de tout, les Anglais suivent, ils parfois une fleur aux Allemands sages et disciplinés, mais je doute qu’on y voit un officier français, c’est généralement un club Anglo-Américains : la valetaille n’a pas son mot à dire ! Dois-je vous rapeler les mépris dans lequel nous sommes tenus : sur les forums, les blogs militaires (et autres), dès qu’on évoque la France il y a toujours au moins un billet avec le mot “surrender” écrit.
    Cela dit je ne suis pas un expert, loin s’en faut, je vous prie donc de me pardonner mes lacunes ou mes erreurs,  mais je m’intéresse à la chose militaire.
    A ce propos, je terminerais en vous disant que je trouve votre blog extrêmement bien fait et très intéressant !

  31. Marc, je suis entièrement d’accord avec vous sur la “googlisation” des opinions ! Cela dit, je pense qu’il n’y a pas grand chose à faire contre ça : plus on se mêle de combattre la calomnie, plus on la nourrit.
    Je pense que même si nous, les français, parvenions à capturer Ben Laden, nous même, à détruire le terrorisme islamique (voeux pieux !), remportions plusieurs victoires militaires sur la Corée du Nord, l’Iran, disons (rêvons vu l’état de notre armée, qu’on prétend amputer davantage), même après cela nous serions toujours considérés par certains (ils sont, hélas ! nombreux) comme des lâches par nature (et pas même des humains : des singes !).
    Quant à Stern, je tiens à vous rassurer : je le méprise, plus que je ne le hais, et on ne peut pas le rendre seul responsable du “french bashing” : seulement, lui ne se présenterait certainement pas comme francophile devant nous, tout en écrivant, disant, ou dessinant, ici, des horreurs sur notre compte.

  32. Quoique – Vu la réaction de nombreux French-Bahers du dimanche – je ne parle pas des Stern / Leno, mais plutôt des Danzigers, Groenig, Miller etc. ils sont prompts a afficher leur francophilie supposée pour désarmer les critiques (my best friend is gay / I have a lot of Black friends / defense). C’est justement ces faux-culs qu’ils va falloir cibler avec le prix du “Freedom Fry Award”. Non ?

  33. This rather sickening cartoon seems at odds with Jeff Danziger’s record both as a decorated veteran and as a cartoonist who has not hesitated to go after the powerful when it was not the popular choice. I’d call him on that, and ask him whatever happened to his soldier’s sense of honor. And of course, he could also be asked whether he would have treated the exact same incident differently had it taken place in Britain or Israel. The odds of that?

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  37. Je suis entièrement d’accord avec vous sur la “googlisation” des opinions mais il y a d’autres médias qui sont influents ! Cela dit, je pense qu’il n’y a pas grand chose à faire contre ça : plus on se mêle de combattre la calomnie, plus on la nourrit.
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