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Oui je suis plutôt d’accord mais de toute façon je ne défends pas cette idée, qui relève d’ailleurs d’un  projet personnel vague. De toute façon il ne s’agit pas de s’en prendre aux expatriés ni aux binationaux.
Le problème c’est que vous changez de sujet et d’adversaire. L’adversaire c’est Coasguen et ses idées de pureté ethnique, pas DSK, qui ne s’en prenait nullement aux binationaux.

http://www.leparisien.fr/dsk-la-chute/le-new-york-post-fustige-les-etrangers-depraves-19-05-2011-1457549.php

Marianne and Uncle Sam fire up a new war

While discussing the Strauss Kahn affaire, tonight on HBO: Real Time with Bill Maher – Maher claimed the “French are more rapey than us” – We has rebutted by Dylan Ratigan who doubted the claim was fact based.

According to the UN who compile statistics about this terrible crime, facts speak otherwise.

• France 2009 Rate / 100,000 : 16.6
• United States of America 2009 Rate / 100,000 : 28.6

There’s been quite a bit of French-bashing actually, not just in the New York Post or the Daily Show, but also in the Wall Street Journal and even (thinly veiled) in the New York Times and the rest of the American press, where France is now being characterised as a nation of misogynistic rapists.

And anti-French sentiment does play a strong role in this, as you could see in discussions among Americans from the very start. As one person put it, summarising the general sentiment: “it’s great to see a rich white guy dragged down like this, the fact that he’s a pompous Frenchman makes it even better”. I think DSK being French is one of the things that make him so appealing as an accused, along with him being wealthy and head of the IMF (ever read Bonfire of the Vanities?).

As for Jack Lang, I don’t see why he would have commented on France-bashing at a time when it didn’t affect him or France at all, but merely consisted in Americans ridiculing themselves. The arrest of DSK is quite a different story.

Et France-Amérique fait le topo sur le French Bashing.

I don’t think denying DSK bail is “French-bashing”. If he had been able to return to France, would the French authorities have then extradited him to the USA?
The most shocking thing about this case is the reaction in France , particularly from the political class who seem to act as though attempted rape is nothing serious and that the Americans are being puritain about the whole thing. The culture of political cover-up and the retrograde attitudes towards women really are shocking for a supposedly modern, civilised country.
The politicans over there seem to think they are some sort of royalty, not subject to the rules like everyone else.

@theBigM

I haven’t seen anyone saying anything remotely similar to implying that rape is nothing serious, in fact every major politician has very clearly stated how serious the allegations are. What you do see in the media (and among a lot of people) though is a reaction comparable to that in the US, as in ignoring presumption of innocence and treating this as if DSK was guilty, as well as descending into pathetic amounts of self-flagellation which the French love so much. The saddest part is if the situation between France and the US was reversed you’d probably still see the exact same thing: that is rabid francophobia in the US, and self-hatred in France.

“The culture of political cover-up and the retrograde attitudes towards women really are shocking for a supposedly modern, civilised country.”
Excuse me? This coming from the country with the most rapes per capita and the least females in public office in the Western world?

“The politicans over there seem to think they are some sort of royalty, not subject to the rules like everyone else.”
Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of Obama’s 3000 men personal guard stomping through Europe.

@nrk – There have been some odious comments in the French political class. From Jack Lang’s comment about how “nobody was killed” – “il n’y a pas eu mort d’homme” – to Jean François Kahn’s (Marianne) comment about “screwing a servant” – “détroussage de domestique” – to Bernard Henry Levy’s claim DSK should not be treated like anybody – “on sait bien que tout le monde n’est pas pareil (…) que ce n’est pas un quidam”

For BHL, he was not saying that he SHOULD not be treated like anybody, but that he IS not. Average people don’t get paraded around in front of hordes of photographers. His point was that the use of the “perp walk” (supposedly a sign of American equality between rich and poor) is completely hypocritical as it only serves to humiliate the famous suspects. And JF Kahn wasn’t banalising rape, he was saying he didn’t believe there was a rape.

In any case, those are very isolated comments, and they don’t reflect the general attitude of the French media, which has been treating all of this as if DSK had already been found guilty and taking it as an opportunity for some national self-denigration.

As for politicians, the left hasn’t commented much beyond saying that presumption of innocence should be respected, while most politicians on the right don’t appear to even understand that concept. I’m sure it would be the reverse if DSK had been from the right wing. It’s quite sad that opinions on this matter seem to follow political lines. Apparently people in this country don’t seem to see the difference between disagreeing with someone politically and wanting to see him rot in jail for the rest of his life regardless of guilt.

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While most of the US in focused on a politician’s pant bulge, in other news last week a French soldier was killed in A-stan. 

Caporal-Chef Nunes-Patego,  combat engineers of 17e RGP (Para engineers regiment).  He is the 59th French soldier killed.

One can already hear the bashers at ff.com celebrating.

nrk – I’m sorry to say this, but I think attitudes to women are a bit more enlightened in the USA than in France.
You say that there is much more violence against Women in the USA, but I would question that. According to some sources I have read only 1 in 10 ten rapes in reported in France and I’m pretty sure that if this event happened in France, because of the privacy laws over there, it would have been covered up.
From my perspective, I’m not sure if this story reflects France as a whole, but it highlights the fact that the French elites seem to think they have the right to behave as they wish, as if they have some sort of “droit du seigneur” over women and can indulge in boorish sexist behaviour, all safe in the knowledge that the privacy laws will cover it up.
I think, in the long run, this might be a good thing for France, as there is now a genuine debate about sexism/macho attitudes going on and hopefully women will no longer have to put up with this.
The comments of some of the French establishment were shameful…

The comments of some of the French establishment were shameful…

So says the BigM, whose virulent anti-French comments are always very tasteful and appropriate.

TheBigMwroteI would not say the French were not brave. Who can forget the brave stand of the French section of the SS, the Charlemagne Division, numbering 7,000 strong in 1944 who fought the Russians hard at Korlin. And what about the Vichy French forces who put up a brave fight against the US and British forces in North Africa?

What the hell are you still doing here ?

I agree with theBigM’s last post.

I agree with theBigM’s last post.

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

French women have access to birth control and abortion and maternity leave and post natal help and daycare and … that American women can only dream of.

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En français : nous allons organiser une diffusion simulanée sur le web, nous en saurons plus dans quelques heures.

Bonjour chers compatriotes et chers amis,

Marc Cormier, le “Michael Moore” des Français d’Amérique, vous propose d’assister en avant-première au documentaire “Educating Jay”. Projeté dans le cadre du festival ReelHeART (hors compétition), ce film retrace un périple de Toronto à Los Angeles en 2006 qui n’avait qu’un but : rencontrer le comédien anti-Français Jay Leno et lui donner une caisse de livres sur … l’histoire de France.

Cette projection n’est pas ouverte au public car le film n’a pas encore reçu toutes les autorisations nécessaires. Pour y assister, il faudra donc communiquer avec moi afin d’obtenir des places. L’entrée sera gratuite.

Bien entendu, vous pouvez partager cette invitation avec vos contacts en région.

Pour en savoir plus sur Jay Leno et le French Bashing, consultez le site miquelon.org

• Mardi, le 21 juin à 21h15
• Au théatre Innis, Innis College, 2 Sussex Avenue, Campus de l’Université de Toronto.
• Festival ReelHeART 2.011 : http://reelheart.org/tuesday/tuesday-main-program-b-915-pm/

Miquelon.org fut cité ou invité par la Fox News Radio et KTTH Seattle, par l’AFP, le Financial Times, Libération, Spiegel Online, The National (UAE), Le Courrier international, Silicon.fr et le 20 h de TF1

très bonne chose se film 🙂

je suis en France, j’espère pouvoir le voir un jour.

http://josephbamat.blogs.france24.com/article/2011/06/22/dual-citizenship-cross-hairs-0

Moi aussi, j’aimerai bien voir ce film bientot.  Bonne Chance avec ce projet!   Une seul chose a ajouter: ne vous limitez pas exclusifement sur Jay Leno….il faut que toute la France soi expose  au sentiment anti-Francais q’existe aux USA, de tout les coins.

Other news…..Florian MORILLON,  private first class from 1st company, 1st RCP, paratroop of the famed “Les Rapaces” was killed in South Tagab Valley in A-stan.  He died on June 19th. 

Yet another cause for celebration for the tweens at ff.com and french-bashers everywhere.

Encore un autre…..Cyrille Hugodot, 24,  paratrooper ,  killed in firefight with Talibans while on a reconnaisance  mission Saturday morning.   I believe he is also of the 1st RCP “Les Rapaces”. 

The tweens at FF.com and other French-bashers must be overjoyed at the latest round of recent French KIAs in A-stan.

I’m sorry to hear about the French soldiers that were killed.  It’s ashame.

Vive La France!

I also don’t like learning about the deaths of the French soldiers because it is sad.

Yup, that’ll do it. You have my appreication.

We have bad teeth too ?
I though it was the British.

The 1st result is often some really awful Yahoo Answers! page, so it’s not suprising all stereotypes are mashed together. Yahoo Answers! is just one notch above Youtube comments.

It will probably be really fascinating to observe if Mitt Romney can easily draw off of the Republican nomination this particular year. The particular only issue that concerns me right now is there may be thus many candidates right at this moment.

You forget him but it is thanks to French if the étas-close  of America exist, then stop  your bullshit that you read in  American press.

#14 was a fking terrible post, pardon my French..

lol. Why can’t you create your own TV shows and movies instead of wanting the USA to make a pro French show? I’m currently watching IRIS,  a Korean show, made in Korea, only language is Korea, and subtitles are available from volunteers only. Or The Man From Nowhere, great action flick, better than Bourne in my opinion. Both of those have Korean actors, neither of them are made in the USA. I very much doubt that most USA’ians would even know they existed. Stick up for yourselves.

Which leaves me to the second point, stop whining. I know, I know, it’s annoying when people say bad things. But why do you care? Why does the opinion of France by people who can’t locate France on a map  matter to you?

Some people like France, some don’t. I’m one of those that do, and a tip on finding people who like French culture is go down to your local Alliance Francaise. French language classes, cultural notes, French cinema for those who are interested and promotion of all things French. Parisian jazz is more my interest which isn’t really their thing (in my local one), but they can usually point you in the direction of a website, jazz club or even traveling performer over from France. You should care more about our opinion than those of people who are generally racist towards all.

On a French forum there’s French people talking about how cool the politician is. A couple of British ex pats are complaining on another about how French people in France are saying that it’s all normal and that it’s just anti French by the USA. This incident has done more for Anti-French sentiment than any cartoon or loud mouth blogger ever has. Except no-one will say anything about it because of the publicity. It will become one of those “Everyone thinks it but no-one says it” which is even worse. 

Which means things like that director of The Pianist who drugged and raped a child then fled to France from the USA will come up in news services. Very anti-France, but not obviously.

Control your politicians, then talk. 😛 Otherwise it’s all useless

#14 was a fking terrible post, pardon my French..

This post ?

“”Barney hasn’t left the building Says: April 24th, 2009 at 7:43 pm ^^^^ You’re right, André, but how ? I think there needs to be some male French role models on US TV shows and in Hollywood movies. A Frenchman kicking ass and taking names so to speak. I guess there was Jean Reno recently in the Pink Panther movies. But then again he was only playing the sidekick of a clumsy, arrogant Clouseau. As far as US Tv shows and movies are concerned, I can think of plenty of traitors, cowards, arrogant, pompous French characters but other than that I can’t think of a single instance where a Frenchman was portrayed somewhat positively or god forbid acted heroically in the last 20 years on an American Tv show or in a Hollywood movie. I’m really a huge consumer of American Tv shows and Hollywood movies and it’s come to the point where I cringe whenever the French are mentioned, and believe me it happens quite often, because I know exactly what’s coming. It really pisses me off. The people whose sole exposure to the French is television and movies have almost no choice but to hate us. I can hardly blame them since they have literally never seen a nice and brave Frenchman in their lives. It’s a real problem.””

lol. Why can’t you create your own TV shows and movies


lol indeed.


Some people like France, some don’t. I’m one of those that do


Of course you are…

“” This incident has done more for Anti-French sentiment than any cartoon or loud mouth blogger ever has.””

Not really .
I think you fail to appreciate what decades of unbridled anti-French barbs in pop culture have done for anti-French sentiment.
Apart from the NY post, which is now pro DSK, and some blog comments, there’ hasn’t been much French bashing actually.
Besides, French-haters who are for the most part Republicans, have no problems with disrespecting women so they wouldn’t necessarily bash the French over that.
Our very existence offends French-haters so there’s always gonna be some French-bashing no matter what we do. What fluctuates is the level of intensity of the bashing.

“”Which means things like that director of The Pianist who drugged and raped a child then fled to France from the USA will come up in news services. Very anti-France, but not obviously.
Control your politicians, then talk. 😛 Otherwise it’s all useless””

Where are you from ?

Rupert Murdoch’s French bashing media empire is in alot of trouble in Great Britain.  I hope he gets into alot of trouble in the United States too. 

Murdoch used his media empire in the United States to stir up anti-French sentiment among clueless Americans. 

Vive La France!

Murdoch’s troubles are only starting. Our European friends, the Germans have a word for this : Schadenfreude.

Meanwhile on twitter …

Just added the following update to our most tweeted article from 2009: “About that French Surrender thing”

Update (14 July 2011): Welcome to one of our most-tweeted articles. It seems everytime the French are mentioned anywhere in the media, legions of lemmings reach for their tweeting apparatus to make rather lame and pathetic “French Surrender” jokes. Be it Strauss-Kahn, Libya, Tennis, Bastille Day, Women’s Soccer.

@Irish Franco-American:

Well, his trouble in the US are starting:

http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/article-56517-murdoch-des-affaires-criminelles-aux-etats-unis.html

I celebrated on Smith Street in Brooklyn, NY and on 60th Street in Manhattan on Sunday, 7/10/11.  It was fun.

More parties !

Et tu Luke ?

I was in Miami Beach, a few places in Miami had little festivals for the French!  I enjoyed a few, and enjoyed a light lunch at The Park Central Hotel, des moules dans la sauce de tomate…pas mal!

It was a bit sad though….5 French soldiers killed only a day before in A-stan, I saw no mention of this in US news….at least not that I could see.  The anti-French Right  must be very pleased.

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Some comments are simply stupid, some are rather ignorant bashing. Nothing more than the norm, except, Luke Russert should know better – a whole lot better.

I will point out that some of the above comments occured on the same day as 5 French soldiers died in Afganistan.
I will mention a rant on the soccer match at  MSNBC:
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/07/15/lessons-learned-from-the-us-women%E2%80%99s-soccer-team/

Thanks for that Fred. It’s quite accurate, there is no country they love to beat more than France. Twitter is just a flood of anti-French garbage tonight.