That trollie was a closet French-hater who like many of her/his ilk can’t stand that places like miquelon.org exist.
Those trolls have no problem whatsoever with anti-French bigotry (hell more often than not they are major perpetrators themselves) but say anything negative about their country in return and they go into hysterics.
And they have the nerve to come here of all places and complain about American bashing. Completely surreal.
Where does it say histrionics is a bannable offense in the rules? Oh I see you just invented it to serve your purpose now. [admin note. Your messages over the last few weeks are rife with TOS violations: including repeated personal attacks, innuendo, repeated accusations of bias, repeated false accusations against the blog owner about disseminating personal information, accusations of racism, accusations of anti-semitism, fascism … ] [ … usual accusations of bias, etc … ]
Instead of your usual propaganda and lies, why don’t you tell the truth why you actually banned me…because I expoesd the anti-semitism in Freddy’s remarks thereby proving how insenstive you are to “vilifying an entire peoples” when it comes to “others” who are not French. [Wrong, see Fred’s (Midwest) explanation on why he used that expression which I personally would not use. You took the bait, line and sinker.]
It may have also bought to light some uncomfortable truths about the garden variety anti-semitism found in some French Canadians. [admin note: who are you referring to as a “French Canadian”? As well, accusations of anti-Semitism are classic troll techniques one move away from a Godwin point. Such accusations are very serious] … common stereotyping of jews due to lack of personal contact with Jews personally . My remark about why consult encyclopedias, don’t you know any Jews personally must have hit a nerve. [admin note: a comment so repugnant it does not dignify a response one other than to say I follow a strict policy of never ever getting involved in issues that deal with Israel/Palestine nor issues related to anti-Semitism, Zionism, anti-Zionism other than a profound acknowledgement of Europe’s heavy historical burden. I also refuse to take any position when it comes to current events because of the many friends I have in both communities. I also know too well how trolls like to steer any discussion towards those issues in the hope of creating an issue out of thin air.] [ … ].
You hate the truth when the truth is not to your liking. Freddy’s remarks are anti-semitic , deal with it. [See Fred’s (Midwest) explanation].
When another poster made a remark that the french folded quickly in WW2, you immediately censored it and banned him as well. It is true the French folded in quickly , now deal with it instead of censoring and banning anybody who dare mentions that truth. [Wrong, he was immediately removed from the blog for using the nickname “Pétain”, an offensive choice designed to provoke and other offences. Nobody is questioning the historical record]. […]
To Marc, Regarding the troll: In an earlier post I had spoken of the troll, Sharon, as poisoning the well. It had been my intention in follow-up replys aimed at her positioning(s) to expose anything of value –in her counterposts–that one might “toy” with in the form of a rebuttal. As you know and others came to learn, no amount of logic or pleas for consideration(s) had any effect on this woman; however, it could be conceived that she might fall prey to a . . . . . . rise —shrill oftone and substance in reason, when correctly baited; viz, the use of a narrowism –as court jew. As was seen, the bait was to be eventually taken — becoming “stuck” in her throat. In one of her posts I was likened to being “Hitler-minded” and the word “Nazi” was tossed around with abandon. Finally, her terminal post was to tell it all —as did you response, for which thanks are expressed. As the philosopher would say, Give Them Enough Rope and They Will Hang Themselves . . .
Oh so you delibrately used hateful stereotyping of Jews to quote “bait” me ?
I suppose it is ok to use hateful stereotyping of the French as “bait” as well.
Thanks for exposing your mindset that it is okay to bait others with stereotyping of an “entire peoples & culture”.
Your desperate attempt to explain your bait techniques has only further exposed your mindset.
One would have hoped that those who are at the receiving end of insidious stereotyping will be more sensitive to the issue of stereotyping and especially if used in a cavalier manner as bait, it shows an utter lack of insensitivity towards “others” who are not French.
Judging by the administrations lack of reprimind of your bait techniques it shows clearly that they were not concerned at all of the possiblity of Jewish persons reading your remarks about “court Jews”. it seems they have the same insensitivity towards “others” who are not French….while claiming to hold holier than thou attitudes about “vilifying an entire peoples”.
As for all those accusations thrown as the reasons…first the reason was histrionics. When it was pointed out that the rules don’t mention histrionics as a bannable offense ….different reason is now given.
As for that long list of accusations about me., I can say the same about so many other posters here. But as we all know…viva la double standard and hypocrisy which this blog is famous for.
PS: Canadian hate laws don’t give a free pass to hateful stereotyping to be used as bait. In fact it might even be a greater offense .
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Glenn Beck says a lot of hateful statements against anyone and anything that does not meet his extreme right “mentality” (not sure there is much of a mind there). He jumped on French bashing because it met his anti-govermental thinking. France gave too much authority to the State, and, therefore, must be evil. I remember when Beck was listing the friends and foes of the US, several years ago. France was listed as an enemy and Russia was listed as a friend.
Keith Olbermann has a ton of material to go after Beck, it’s added to every night. Keith, I think, wants to concentrate on illogic during the past week, not previous weirdness. I think, though, reminding Keith of Becks’ stupidity in the past is always a good idea. You never know when it may prove useful.
Exactly, you never know. Thanks to Philippe for the heads up on this open request from Keith Olbermann. I have been listening to Countdown for a number of years now, often times during the evening and once again via podcast in case I missed anything, I have to say the show is one of the best podcasts out there!
@oxo, would you be interested to see the sarcastic list of the names of the 1.3 French soldiers who died in WWI ?
I got hundreds of sarcastic pictures of monuments to the dead in France as well if you’re interested.
How about a sarcastic picture of the the twin towers on fire ? How many Americans does it take to defend a skyscraper ? Don’t know. Never been tried.
You have kids huh ? Are they little xenophobes like their dad ?
[[i tied a my neighbours cat’s tail today and lit it ,neighbour was devestated but the cat was over the moon…….]]
Yeah, the cutting edge of comedy all right…
Let’s put an end to this non-issue. We consulted several jewish scholars and were provided the following response:
“We believe the usage which it is put to today, can be likened to calling a black man an “Uncle Tom” – but perhaps not as severe.”
“The history behind the term, is that in Europe before Jews were emancipated, they were treated worse than serfs. There were some Jews, through wealth or other reasons, managed to ingratiate themselves with the local rulers. They would often intercede on behalf of their brethren, when some particular nasty plan was about to be launched against the Jews. Sometimes these Jews were perceived as playing into the hands of these rulers. Thus the term “court-Jew” initialy was just a fact, whereas now it has other connotations.”
It is therefore clear the term is not anti-semitic and cannot be construed as so. In fact, it has been used in political discourse in such newspapers as the Jerusalem Post and the Jewish Advocate.
It is however a personal attack and does fall under the TOS, I therefore ask it not be used henceforth. End of issue.
Miquelon : "It is however a personal attack and does fall under the TOS, I therefore ask it not be used henceforth."
Aren’t you contradicting yourself?
First you claimed it was not a personal attack and gave it a free pass for several days . Now you have banned the usage of that word. Why is it a personal attack? Because it is anti-semitic..again another contradiction . But anything to serve your purpose.
You can go around trying to erase any trace of me to get revenge for daring to point out how insenstive and callous you are when it comes to vilifying of "others" who are not French but it only shows your vindictive nature and lives up to all worst stereotypes of the French.
Freddy uses hateful stereotyping as "bait" and then wonders why people compare him to Hitler? Doesn’t he know that Hitler used the same technique..so why complain? If the shoe fits accept it.
Lastly I don’t believe you developed a sudden sensitivity towards the vilifying of "others" who are not French. Rather it was the fear of having possibliy violated hate laws that sent you scurrying around erasing that word from Freddy’s post.
You have proudly complied a list of insensitive comments about the French made by Jay in your blog. Your blog has several insulting and insensitive remarks about the Irish/British/Americans which have been given a free pass by you while claiming to have holier than thou attitudes about "vilifying an entire peoples" . And you have the nerve to point a finger at Jay when you are no better ?
The fact that you have banned the usage of that " word " shows I was correct and for that you have to take revenge. How childish and vindictive. When you become obsessed with your enemies, you become like them.
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I read somewhere that many writers are very upset with the whole 10 pm block being given up to Leno. So many shows like Law & Order and other dramas are now pushed back to 9 and others got cut. A drama show is lots of producing, writing etc – and here comes Leno and his usually tin pot and wooden spoon act.
Anyway, can’t wait to get the documentary together. Thanks VG, BD, PST and SK if you’re reading this ! 🙂 You’re awesome !
To Miquelon:
Should either of these characters, Leno or Conan, return to French bashing, planned measures in/of response should be in the offing. One measure among others might be considered, to wit: Being an orderly, live-show, walk-on by a small party — of identity by arm-band [tri-color w/FFI ? (the arm-band tells it all !)]. Security would, of course, intervene in this instance(s) for learning cause; this, prior to escorting said party off the premises. We can deduce that “physical action” –as such, opposed to mere “re-action” from a provided literature-learning source might elucidate the offender to a fuller extent; again, it must be asked if anything other than a fist-in-the-face serves purpose.
Would be good to hear from you; also, from Barney, Andre, Fred Orth and others.
When another poster made a remark that the french folded quickly in WW2, you immediately censored it and banned him as well. It is true the French folded in quickly , now deal with it instead of censoring and banning anybody who dare mentions that truth. [Wrong, he was immediately removed from the blog for using the nickname “Pétain”, an offensive choice designed to provoke and other offences. Nobody is questioning the historical record]. […]
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On the other hand the French only say that in response to “We saved yer ass in WWII so shut up!” so…
well didn’t you fold during WWII quite rapidly?
keep it up Marc! You sir are a liar
I save all of your posts
I think that we can expect the more subtle bashing to exist for awhile. The “humor” impact is a bit out of vogue to be too aggessive. I like Fred (Midwest) idea but timing is everything and, unless someone becomes clearly aggressive in bashing, we would look like “poor sports” if we make an issue out of petty slurs. Just saying……….
Watching Leno right now. Same old same old. Fred Midwest, you are correct, we need to be ready to act. At this point, I don’t expect any French Bashing from Leno as he’s moved on – yet never apologized.
French Bashing in this day and age remains a low level, pop culture event. Restons vigilants.
I just found this great article about my islands that references this site called “Recollections of a Vagabonde“:
Now I’ll talk about something my French speaking readers may not be aware of (if they live outside the USA.) Last year while I was researching information about Miquelon island on the Net I found a site called “Miquelon.org” and thinking it was about the island I started reading it. It is not a tourism site but called “The Fighting French” […]
I had forgotten about Miquelon.org but researching for my post this week I found it again and this is why I thought to write about all this. I just would add that the people I know here in the United States do not have anti-French sentiments; it is just a vocal minority of uninformed people who believe in bad stereotypes.
Excellent article that SuperFrenchie published on his Facebook this morning :
“When Americans go to Italy, they’ll meet fifty nice people and run into one jerk . . . and they’ll think wow, what a jerk, and then forget it. When Americans go to France, they’ll run into fifty nice people and then run into one jerk . . . and they’ll think aha, finally France shows its true face.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/mlasalle/detail?&entry_id=47375#ixzz0RBzxYIJh
Marc, Changing the subject a bit, I have a feeling that the issue where the US nixes the placement of missiles in Poland have upped the France bashing by the Right in the US. I will also note that the articles do not mention the UK’s role in the leadup to WWII.
Thanks, duly noted and will monitor accordingly. On another note, there was a great episode of Rendez-vous avec X about French Bashing during the 60s over De Gaulle supposed and real anti-Americanism, Johnson’s and De Gaulle’s difficult relationship, De Gaulle’s voluntary slight against D-Day veterans etc etc.
La taupe du quai d’Orsay – Si Monsieur X revient sur cette affaire, c’est qu’elle illustre clairement l’ambiguïté des rapports que la France a toujours entretenus avec les Etats-Unis. Un mélange de cordialité et de méfiance, d’amitié et de soupçon, traversé régulièrement par des crises : la dernière étant celle ouverte par la décision de Paris de ne pas participer à la guerre en Irak …
America lost of 400k men in 4 years. That still is less than the 500k Frenchmen that surrended when the Germans captured the Marginot line from the rear SEVEN days. A big shocker here the French built the Marginot line but failed to complete it on the Belgian border. Those HUNS would never be smart enought to bypass the Marginot line by invading Belgium, would they?
Then let’s not start on how many French were more than complicit with the Germans rounding up Jews to send to camps.
elvis – the points you raise have been dealt with over and over on this site.
In a few words, the point I am trying to make is that mocking the French defeat of 1940 is as offensive to us as making jokes about any national tragedy such as 9/11.
Did France Surrender in 1940? You bet.
Does that make the French cowards? No.
Remember, historical facts do not make character traits.
If you read your history, if you read about the 100 000 men who died in those few days, if you read about the saving of the British Expeditionary Force, the Battle of Lille, you will understand the French were not cowards. The leadership betrayed the country and they were put on trial for that by the end of the war. Imagine that.
About the Maginot line, yes it was not the most brilliant move. Neither was going into Vietnam, Somalia or Afghanistan. All countries have their moments of glory and moments of great defeats and some cases embarrassment. Nobody has a monopoly on any of these outcomes.
About the Holocaust, yes anti-semitism was very prevalent in all of Europe at that time and some French “intellectuals” were very involved in the propagation of those theories (De Gobineau, Maurras…). But America also had its share of issues between the German American Bund, Henry Ford and Joe Kennedy’s open admiration for the IIIrd Reich and Adolf Hitler, the issue of Anti-semitism was widespread in the world at the time. Nobody once again had a monopoly on this scourge.
About Vichy, did you know that America refused to recognize the Free French, those who kept on fighting the war, but recognized Vichy officially? Did you know that when the Free French liberated French islands in North America that Roosevelt and Cordell Hull asked for their expulsion and the reinstatement of the Vichy governors? Of course you didn’t…
Not to mention the CIA helping Nazi war criminals to escape in order to use them in the fight against communism. People like Reinhardt Gehlen, Wehrner Von Braun or Klaus Barbie. Worse than anything Vichy did, in my mind, because by that time, everybody knew the extent of the atrocities committed by the nazis. Wiki “Paperclip”.
American racism does not compare to helping the Germans round up Jews and send them to death camps. Kennedy’s admired the Nazi’s, I have not seen any evidence that suggest he was helping them round up Jews. Those comparisons are like apples to oranges.
I am sure American’s did give deserving Black soldiers their pensions, which is more than I can say for the Algerian’s that fought for France.
Elvis, Oh if you only knew. Remember the Vetern camps in DC in the thirties (they never did get a dime of the $10,000 bonus they were due)? Remember all of the Veterns whose records were “lost” after WWII – mostly minorities? I remember that my brother couldn’t even get a gravemarker because his Naval record had been lost. Personally, I am told that I am due a pension for my injuries, but, the Army had my records burned in St Louis. Yea, the US really cares about its’ Vets!
Elvis, you wrote “You see it’s easy to cherry pick your facts.” – My point precisely, that’s what you did, so we responded in kind. Historical histrionics gets you knowhere and becomes a vessel for prejudice.
This site is very entertaining. I particularly enjoy the deranged comments of Fred (midwest) whose lack of understanding of British history is staggering.
Apparently, according to this great scholar, the British still resent the French because of the Norman conquest in 1066!!! This is bizarre and wrong on so many levels.
Firstly, it would be wrong to see the Normans as “French”. They spoke French, but were only two generations away from Vikings who had been granted the land of Normandy by the FRENCH king.
The Normans were hardly a beacon of civilization either. They brutally overthrew all the native landowners and completely destroyed one of most sophisticated governmental systems in Europe at the time. Tens of thousands and English emigrated under this repressive regime. If that is French culture then it is nothing much to shout about.
The idea that the Normans “freed” the Celts is absolutely bizarre and makes no sense at all. The ‘Celts’ were dominant in England before the ROMAN CONQUEST and by the time of the Saxon invasions took place in the 4-5 centuries were pushed to the western fringes of the British Isles. I’m not sure how they were freed considering most of them were assimilated into the Anglo-Saxon culture.
The Normans also invaded two Celtic countries Wales and Ireland, how did the Normans, oh sorry, “French” save them. By invading their countries??
To suggest also that there was a transfer of learning from the Normans to the English just shows your lack of knowledge about Anglo-Saxon England.
I look forward to laughing out loud at your next unintentionally hilarious post.
So basically, if two generations ago your family came to the US, you’re not “American”? So much for the melting pot. Double standard much?
The Normans spoke French, had adopted French customs and are REFERRED TO AS “FRENCH” in the Bayeux tapestry. So much for your racist and half-assed theories.
André – You show no understanding of the history of the time.
How were the Normans “French” if Normandy was not then part of France? If was not controlled by France until 1204.
How could the Normans be French if they were not ethically French and did not live in France? Just because they spoke a language similar to French?
You are not making any sense. You cannot live in Canada and claim to be American just because you speak the same language and have the same customs;
Racist?? No, I just understand history.
Sorry, but you don’t know shit about history. The Bayeux Tapestry refers to your beloved “Normans” as FRANCI: Franks, in English. “Regnum Francorum” — Kingdom of the Franks, or Kingdom of France.
Sone quotes from the Bayeux Tapestry:
“HIC FRANCI PUGNANT.”
“HIC CECIDERUNT SIMUL ANGLI ET FRANCI IN PRELIO.”
So where are your “Normans” now? I’ll give you a hint: there isn’t a single reference to “Normans” in the entire tapestry. So read up before spewing BS. The Normans were ethnically French, they had been assimilated by French culture, spoke French and had adopted French customs.
Barny- Obviously, disagreeing with you means that I hate France. Brilliant reasoning Sherlock. Unfortunately, the dictator Napolean was certainly French. You can keep him.
André – There were indeed some French troops in the Norman army along with Bretons and Flemings. Were the Bretons and Flemings ethically French also? What do you mean by ethically French?
If this was a French army, where was the French king? I believe there was
a king of France at the time.
Normandy was not part of France at the time, it was a vassal state and the references in the Bayeux tapestry (perhaps the earliest piece of political propaganda) may have been inserted for the benefit of the king of France.
Barny – So what great gifts did the Normans give us then, apart from some Norman French words?
Troll, no one spends that much time on an anti French-bashing blog (of all places) to try and justify French-bashing by bringing up every negative things they can think of about French history if they don’t hav a major axe to grind about the French.
You’re not fooling anyone.
French was the spoken language at the English court for centuries after the Norman invasion. Dieu et mon droit etc… Over 60% of the English language has its origins in French
So when you make statements such as,
[[To suggest also that there was a transfer of learning from the Normans to the English just shows your lack of knowledge about Anglo-Saxon England.]]
you’re making an ass out of yourself and displaying your ignorance for all to see.
You can keep him.
Yeah we’ll keep him and shove him down the throat of all the armchair generals who obsessively mock the French military, which of course you know nothing about.
Barny, I have no argument with you, but I felt I had to reply to the absolute nonsense written by Fred (midwest)
By the way, English owes around 28% of its words to French/Old Norman. This is not really a great transfer of knowledge though. I guess we have to thank you for those words though
[[By the way, English owes around 28% of its words to French/Old Norman. This is not really a great transfer of knowledge though. I guess we have to thank you for those words though]]
It’s closer to 60% and it is a huge transfer.
Even 28% would be enormous.
That’s more 1/4th of the language. That’s not consequent enough for you ?
There were indeed some French troops in the Norman army along with Bretons and Flemings.
I’m afraid you don’t understand — FRANCI is meant to designate THE ENTIRE ARMY. Not ONCE in the ENTIRE TAPESTRY does the word “Norman” appear. Only FRANCI. That means “the Franks”. So unless you can explain why the name French would be used to designate a “small minority”…
Furthermore, you ask “why wasn’t there a French king?”
There was a King of France, but the King of France was a Primus Inter Pares — a lord only slightly above the others. He had his own lands, just like any other lord — in this case, the lands around Paris, the Île-de-France — but he had little authority over the other great lords (dukes, &c.) who saw him as a peer rather than as a boss.
Of course, even though they weren’t under the direct authority of the King of France, these lords were still French. As was William, duke of Normandy.
the references in the Bayeux tapestry (perhaps the earliest piece of political propaganda) may have been inserted for the benefit of the king of France.
Nice try, but the tapestry was made waaaay outside the jurisdiction of the King of France. You understand “King” in a modern way, not in an 11th century way. The king back then was just a slightly bigger lord. He only had real authority in his own lands, and little to no political authority, let alone in others’ duchies. This tapestry was made in Normandy in William’s own jurisdiction. If anything, it was William’s propaganda, certainly not the king of France’s!
Keep in mind, theBigM, that a proper monarchy with a king exerting real authority over his nobility will only start to crystallize towards the end of the Middle Ages, and especially during the Early Modern Age.
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