Barney : If you wanna discuss ethic slurs for Arabs in France or racism in France I suggest you visit fuck*france.com or no pasaran.
I had no idea you were living in a dictatorship, so sorry for thinking that France was an open democratic society where its ills are discussed in the open like every other democratic country.
I can now understand why you are obsessed with censorship by hurling your favorite words Troll and especially Ban, poor thing you are unused to open discussions.
[[I had no idea you were living in a dictatorship, so sorry for thinking that France was an open democratic society where its ills are discussed in the open like every other democratic country.I can now understand why you are obsessed with censorship by hurling your favorite words Troll and especially Ban, poor thing you are unused to open discussions. ]]
Do you have something to say about Marc’s upcoming documentary about educating Jay Leno or not, you [tos3] troll ?
Sharon, if your tone were not so wantonly provocative and blatantly trollish you’d be most welcome. Obviously, you are merely debasing the concept of free speech — as most trolls do — by not understanding the basic rules of free speech, which apply in all democratic countries. “Free speech” isn’t a valid excuse to insult, harass or slander. So, sorry, stop hurling the words “censorship” and “dictatorship” around, or you’ll only make a greater fool out of yourself.
In this case you are clearly intentionally disrupting the flow of debate, provoking through slanderous and malicious posts, and generally engaging in a behaviour known as trolling on the internet.
Mark, my vote goes to apply the full weight of the ToS’ clauses against trolls upon this superb specimen of trollery.
The same old story…hurl false accusations one after another. Another person who cannot bear to see unflattering facts presented. Some people definitely crave to censor people by hurling false accusations..must have something to do with the fascist mentality one can find in some Europeans. It is so obvious that the fascist mentality that produced fascism in Europe did not die out after WW2. And please note that just beacause one’s grandparents fled from fascist attacks does not mean the fascist mentality was absent from the country they fled to …and no doubt were influenced by it without realizing it.
@Jocoul : there is no prime-time comedy show where anti-anything jokes are told day in day out. There are no news channels dedicating to vilifying a people, culture or country
You are of course referring to the USA. Being a consumer of US media daily, I don’t see any comedy show with day in day out attacks on the French. Neither do I see any news channels "dedicated" to French bashing. Oh yeah Fox news you may say…but that.is not a channel dedicated to French bashing…I hardly hear anything about the French in Fox news except once in a while . The vast majority of its news hours are devoted to non-French issues. It is accurate to say Fox news is dedicated to Obama bashing as most of its hours are devoted to Obama. Period .
Why the need to exaggerate by using words like "day in day out" and "dedicated".
If you spoke more accurately and gave up the gross exaggerations, than you might be surprised by how many people might agree with you but with the need to exaggerate and paint some exclusivity about French bashing as "specifically twisted" which is nonsense, you are losing any valid points you might have.
Marc, Got my audio back (it comes and goes, whenever), I REALLY liked your video! If you came down US66, though, you should have hollered, I’d have bought you a meal. This blog has reminded me of the bashing that Jay “provided” for so many years, though, after his first one, I stopped watching him. Missed the worst. Hats off to you for providing a select driven focus on a select issue. Great Job.
Barney, has it ever occurred to you that your bile and venom may contribute towards French bashing in the Net at least ( unintentionally )by living up to all the crude stereotypes perpeutated by Jay.
People like you are the "gift that keeps giving" for Jay to keep on peddling his jokes.
Bla bla bla censor bla bla bla fascist bla bla bla fascism bla bla bla fascist fascist bla bla bla.
As any impartial observer may notice, your post is rich in fail. I comment on your trollesque behaviour, you respond by calling me a “fascist”, and by making a ridiculous extrapolation about alleged “fascist mentalities” in Europe. I summon Godwin’s law: he who calleth his opponent a nazi in a web debate, loseth the debate.
And now, people, please cooperate: Don’t feed the troll.
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Dear troll,
Miquelon.org is a website dedicated to documenting and denouncing French-bashing.
Do you get that ?
So the Germans hate the Poles. Let the Poles create their own website to fight Polish-bashing then. This blog is about French-bashing.
If you can’t stand that, get some help but stop wasting our time.
And why the hell would I be nice to people who come here solely to bring up negative facts about France and who try their damnedest to justify French-bashing ?
Obviously, the people who are into that sort of thing already have their own issues with the French.
Oh wait let me guess. You’re actually a great francophile, right ? lol
I hope you realize you’re not fooling anyone, troll.
And if that makes you hate the French evn more. Good. If people like you hate us, then we’re doing something right.
ps:
Now Troll, do you have something to say about Marc’s upcoming documentary “Educating Jay”, the topic of this thread, or not ?
To Sharon @ Post # 28:
You are not turning things around as you might imagine in extolling–by default– a supposed forgive and forget excellence to be found in the Irish. You have mentioned your Irish-ness; therefore, you should be showing no “covert” malice –especially against the French, in your French bashing. Why not go against the English, a nation that has bloodied you people a million times over. As I said earlier, you have taken on the role of [term removed]* with the Anglosphere being your patron; or, the all American girl —anything to escape the Irish-ness
(what, after all, have the Irish ever done on the world stage in history ?).
In your post #28 is seen definite game-playing — so tricky, your word play — being all the same the work of a dumb broad that would hold in delusion a notion that others cannot see thru you. Can you not broach something on your own that is an original thought or concept ? My God, lady, get a life.
I think you are projecting your mentality onto me.
I don’t see myself as Irish, I see myself as a citizen of the country of my birth where I was raised. You on the other hand seem to identify with your ancestory more than the country you are a citizen of. You are entitled to do so but don’t project that mentality onto others. So your insults about the Irish have no impact on me. It would, if like you I identified with my ancestory more than my country of citizenship but I don’t….so sorry !
By the way thanks for introducing me to words like “court jew” etc, I had never heard words like that before. And again this shows the difference between your neck of the woods and mine… .. need we say more about why I don’t hold any grievances for what happened centuries ago which no doubt drives British bashers like you to the loony bin.
By they way, I noticed that the Irish, Jews and Brits have all been targets of your nasty insults ….while you howl and scream about French bashing. Does the word hypocrite ring a bell?
“One has to know the native tongue to know what is commonly said in the mainstream media.”
I was born and raised in France and I’ve lived in the US for over 20 years. I think that makes me sufficiently knowledgeable in telling the difference. Mind you, I have told many individual Frenchmen before not to generalize their views of Americans but never have I seen such a degree of odious clichés and insults about “the French” than on the US mainstream media and I thank Miquelon for exposing that. There is simply no equivalent in France that I know of to the Jay Lenos, Bill O’Reillys and company. And speaking of the UK, notice the pass they’re getting in regards of the Megrahi release scandal. Just imagine if Sarkozy had been behind the affair, it would be sheer hysteria again.
Andre what exactly is troll behaviour….pointing out inaccuracies, exaggerations etc. I rest my case about the fascist mentality.
André replieth:
In this case, young failhopper, you may find Teh Wiki to be of great help. To quote Teh Wiki, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]
Sounds just like yourself if you ask me.
Oh, as for the renewed fascist reference, you’ve just enabled me to summon Godwin’s Law once again.
You really need to brush up on your debating skills.
Congratulations, trollie.
You have managed yet again to hijack another thread with your whining about…what is is this time ? I can’t even tell. It doesn’t matter.
What matters is that nobody’s talking about Marc’s trailer anymore. You have succeeded. You’re a great troll indeed.
Let me take this opportunity to ask you again:
do you have anything to say about Marc’s upcoming documentary 3educating Jay”, which is the topic of this thread ?
We are not living in the world of the big three networks anymore. Believe it or not there are millions and millions of people who never watched Jay. Johnny Carson dominated the prime time airwaves but Jay? One of many who had very limited influence. Much ado about nothing.
Does trollie realize the irony of that statement coming from trollie ?
It’ s surreal. lol
And if you don’t care about Jay Leno’s French-bashing (as you don’t care about French-bashing in general), then you have nothing to do on this thread and on this blog.
By the way, how’d you wind up on miquelon.org, trollie ?
To Sharon(i) @ Post # 43:
You remain ethnic Irish regardless of birth location and are perceived as such in the “bread lines” of the past; moreover, extending to this day in
the hustle for government hand-outs of whatever value. Blood Tells, it has been said, being a truism; also, a leopard cannot change it’s spots,
leaving you to pause in consideration of the facts at hand. “What shall I be”, you ask yourself, knowing that your posterity offers little in the way of truly civilized behavior. “Oh, I get it, being born in Canada qualifies me to be a subject”, you reflect. “Happy, happy, happy-land, I am no longer Irish”, you sing with uncommon joy –alas, forgetting that your born-again, “Janet Reno” looks can never turn about and that is sad enough.
@Freddy the [tos3]
Your bizarre obsession with ethnicity reminds me of the mindset of a very famous person who too was equally obsessed with ethnicity and ranted & raved his idiotic views on the importance of ethnicity. We need not mention his name. [Godwin point]
Nope, someone who tried to prevent terrible debaters like yourself from ruining discussions. You may think you’re smart, but comparing people to nazis is about the cheapest, dumbest thing you can do. This hardly surprises me — as a troll, you surrender at one moment, resurface at another, jump, dodge, ignore points, carry on regardless.
Your points and relevance have been decimated, and you’ve never had a logical answer to offer; and still you insist on attempting to disrupt conversation. You are incapable of any logical construction more complicated than “LOL NO” or “You are a nazi” and yet you insist on taking an intellectual beating from all of us.
I mean you obviously couldn’t care less about French-bashing so I don’t think you ended up here after googling “French-bashing”.
It’s more likely you ended up here after following a link on some blog you participate to.
Given your obsession with American/British bashing from the French I would like to say no pas*r*n but you don’t strike me as a no pas*r*n troll for some reason.
So I will stick with my first guess and say you ended up here following a link on Br*mner’s blog. Because I hardly think your appearing here on this blog only hours after r*cket and after I mentioned Br*mner’s blog is a coincidence.
So which is it, troll ?
Be honest for once in your life.
you are a [tos 3: vulgarity] that picks out 1 tweet to satisfy [tos: personal attack] that is obviously spent defending your country’s supposed honour, get a [tos 3: vulgarity] life….if you bothered to read more than 1 tweet of mine you would realise that I stated instantly that it was a joke and i love France and many french people that i know ……you , [tos 3: vulgarity] ,categorically don’t come in that group ……[tos: personal attack] and get a [tos 3: vulgarity] proper life….i also mock the welsh ,scottish english and some ….but they can take a joke …now fuck off you [tos 3: vulgarity]…
@Barney
It may come as a shock to you that just as millions of people don’t watch Jay, millions of people don’t know all those blogs you are obsessed with. Deal with it.
Unless of course you are so arrogant you think everybody in the world is obsessed with the same things you are obsessed with because you are so important.
Different views and opinions ?
Well sure, troll, if you put it that way. lol
Showing up out of the blue to spew nonsense about French imperialism (or anything negative you can find about France) on a thread dedicated to Marc’s upcoming documentary is not not having different views. It’s purposefully playing the troll and you know it.
You’re being insulted because you have made it abundantly clear that you don’t care a lick about French-bashing
and you bellitle the importance of French-bashing at every opportunity when you’re not trying to justify it.
That would be fine on fu*kfrance.com or Bemner’s blog. The only problem is that miquelon.org is a blog about denouncing the ills of French-bashing.
[[Trying to invoke Godwin in order to give a moral boost to your intolerance of different views is rather insulting to Godwin wouldn’t you say?]]
Errr, you’re the one who does exactly that trollie.
My God, nobody can’t be that clueless, can they ?
[[@Barney
It may come as a shock to you that just as millions of people don’t watch Jay, millions of people don’t know all those blogs you are obsessed with. Deal with it.]]
Answer the question, troll.
How’d you wind up on miquelon.org ?
@barney : to spew nonsense about French imperialism
France’s former colonies may beg to differ with you that French imperalism is “nonsense”.
PS: When you tell a lie, tell a good one so that you don’t get caught. This is embarrassing to say the least. Whats next? Oh yeah French never had any colonies?
[[France’s former colonies may beg to differ with you that French imperalism is “nonsense”. PS: When you tell a lie, tell a good one so that you don’t get caught. This is embarrassing to say the least. Whats next? Oh yeah French never had any colonies?]]
Perfect example of the troll‘s mindset. To purposefully misinterpret and twist your words so the troll can keep on ramming its agenda down out throats.
Now the troll is probably gonna go on for 2 or 3 pages about how we support French imperialism. lol
ps: How did you wind up on miquelon.org ?
Answer the question, troll.
Intolerance of different views is a sign of a fascist mentality. If the shoe fits, accept it.
1 – I am not intolerant of “different views”, I am intolerant of people who are clearly here with the sole purpose of bothering others.
2 – Your use of “fascist mentality” is incorrect, anyhow, as intolerance isn’t, and has never been, exclusive to fascism.
If you see different views as an attempt to quote “disrupt conversation” need we say more about your deep intolerance for different viewpoints.
I didn’t know trolling was a “viewpoint”. To my view it’s more like being a jerk.
All you are reduced to doing now is howling and screaming insults at me because you can’t deal with different views and opinions.
Howling and screaming? Sheesh, this font must be pretty loud. I repeat: you have no “views and opinions”. You are a troll. Your “views and opinions” are merely to bother others.
Trying to invoke Godwin in order to give a moral boost to your intolerance of different views is rather insulting to Godwin wouldn’t you say?
So after you build a massive strawman, here comes the conclusion. Congratulations — you can use logic, but only logical fallacies, alas.
I invoked Godwin’s law because you’re breaking it systematically. It’s a typical troll’s resource to call others nazis and intolerant when they point out that he’s being a troll.
Trust me, troll. I’ve seen more than my fair share of trolls on the interwebz, and I know all your stupid tricks. In fact, I can even predict your responses. It will be something along the lines of:
Intolerant intolerant bla bla bla, different viewpoint bla bla, fascist mentality bla bla, censor bla fascist bla intolerant bla bla bla.
As we all know this is what passes for trolling in this site.
Person A : Denmark only had 6000 Jews whereas France had 300, 000 Jews
Person B: The total population of Denmark is 4 million.
Person A: What a sick troll. Don’t feed the troll.
Another example
Person A : There is no bashing of an entire peoples in the French mainstream. ( applauded by other posters and quoted again and again)
Person B: According to other sources, racist chatter in the French maintream exists, vilifying an entire people’s & culture – link to time article given which writes about growing racist chatter in the French mainstream
Outrage from other posters and chorus of ” person B is a sick troll, is trolling by bashing France (in other words don’t dare tell unpleasant facts about racism in France’ mainstream media to address the incorrect assertion made by Person A that there no vilfying of an entire people in the French mainstream – that is trolling)
Another example:
Person A: In the USA, comedy channels day in day out bash the french and there is a major news network dedicated to French bashing.
Person B: there is no comedy channel with day in day out bashing of the French. And when over 99% of Fox news is devoted to non-French issues how can it be a channel dedicated to French bashing? Gross exaggerations.
Chorus of person B is trolling follows.
Naturally they have to invoke Godwin to cover up their intolerance for the truth when the truth is not to their liking.
the sheer fact that Andre Wernesson had to put “sarcasm” at the end of his comment about me being a French basher ,goes to show that he isn’t confident in someone realising it was meant as sarcasm…I however have the intelligence to realise that even a very poor and unamusing little comment like that is sarcasm …I also have a sense of humour so find something very funny him calling me a basher,as in english coloquialism,that is a person that [tos 2 & tos 3] .So he is saying that i [tos 2 & tos 3] the french ,well it is obvious they need no help with that if he is anything to go by.And as for me not being polite ,well,the irony .
[[@oxofamilydadSays: September 6th, 2009 at 11:05 am you are a [tos 2 & tos 3] that picks out 1 tweet to satisfy your [tos 2 & tos 3] life that is obviously spent defending your country’s supposed honour,get a [tos 2 & tos 3] life….if you bothered to read more than 1 tweet of mine you would realise that I stated instantly that it was a joke and i love France and many french people that i know ……you ,[tos 2 & tos 3] ,categorically don’t come in that group ……grow up and get a [tos 2 & tos 3] proper life….i also mock the welsh ,scottish english and some ….but they can take a joke …now [tos 2 & tos 3]]] [[@oxofamilydad Says: September 6th, 2009 at 8:01 pm the sheer fact that Andre Wernesson had to put “sarcasm” at the end of his comment about me being a French basher ,goes to show that he isn’t confident in someone realising it was meant as sarcasm…I however have the intelligence to realise that even a very poor and unamusing little comment like that is sarcasm …I also have a sense of humour so find something very funny him calling me a basher,as in english coloquialism,that is a person that [tos 2 & tos 3] .So he is saying that i [tos 2 & tos 3] the french ,well it is obvious they need no help with that if he is anything to go by.And as for me not being polite ,well,the irony .]]
@oxo, would you be interested to see the sarcastic list of the names of the 1.3 French soldiers who died in WWI ?
I got hundreds of sarcastic pictures of monuments to the dead in France as well if you’re interested.
How about a sarcastic picture of the the twin towers on fire ? How many Americans does it take to defend a skyscraper ? Don’t know. Never been tried.
You have kids huh ? Are they little xenophobes like their dad ?
[[i tied a rocket to my neighbours cat’s tail today and lit it ,neighbour was devestated but the cat was over the moon…….]]
Sharon, it has become absolutely obvious you don’t listen to anything you are told, you twist and turn anything that is said and you are simply rehashing the same-old same-old with complete disregard for the topics at hand.
I have given you plenty of chances to state your positions but it is now obvious you only want to drive every thread into the ground with your constant trolling.
If I read another comment that even remotely resembles a previous comment you have made, I will have no choice but to remove your further contributions from this site.
Like I said before, why don’t you come clean and declare this is a propaganda site . You may think this blog is to educate “ignorant” Americans but in fact it is doing the opposite.
Just ask yourself what people see when they read this blog? Nasty insults against the Americans/Irish/British by people who hold themselves to a holier than thou attitude while howling about French bashing [admin: warning, once again, do not confuse comments and the content of the site]. Thinly veiled anti-semitic remarks(* see below) (example : court jew and suppposed nefarious behaviors of court jews) which are given a free pass, time and time again by the adminstration of this blog who claim to be holier than thou when it comes to “vilifying an entire peoples & cultures”. (** see below)
Not to mention wild exaggerations and hyperbole about supposed French bashing in the US mainstream media now. We are not living in the pre-Iraq war years and it is ridiculous to keep on pretending that the same anti-French hysteria is still prevalent now.
Go ahead and “remove my contribution”…….again why the propaganda ? Why not tell the truth that you want to censor me . [read tos, the term “censor” is innapropriate]
By the way, gee I wonder why Freddy thinks I am Canadian. Thanks a lot for keeping your word. [admin note: baseless accusation, once again]
* [admin note: this is a dangerous accusation, one we don’t take lightly]
** [admin note: while we find the term questionable, the term court-jew (@jewishencyclopedia.com) is not considered a slur and is being used here to describe a contributors position in relation to other groups. If anybody can demonstrate the term is being used offensively, we will consider further action.]
And how exactly is it being used to describe a contributor’s position? By attributing devious behavior traits which are supposedly common in a “court jew” as in quote ….
” Court- jew methodology works in the interests of triumphalism; i.e., hitching cause to that which is seen as “star player” to the scene”
You know as well as I do that the above sentence would be prohibited by Canada’s hate laws and for a good reason. It is playing on hateful stereotypes of Jews.
Just substitute the word “French” instead of “Jew” in the above sentence . Or better still ask any Jewish person that you know personally how they feel about the “methodology” of court Jews described as such . No need to consult encyclopedias or don’t you know any Jewish persons?
PS: On another matter I understand certain words are forbidden to be used in this site. Sounds a lot like you know what. LOL
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