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ps: by the way, many thing SF have been saying about me are outright lies and frankly I find that despicable. I even sent him an email to him a few weeks ago where I praised him for his work against French-bashing. He just insulted me in return.

So true.

By the way, Barney, (sorry for the off-topic, I hope Marc won’t mind) would it be indiscrete if I asked why SF hates you so much? I was amazed by the stuff he said about you over at his forum, and knowing you from Miquelon, I really didn’t understand…

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It’s just a misunderstanding over a few of his regulars, who are French bashers in disguise (one of them clearly not in disguise anymore and for some unfathomable reason, protected byond all measure of reason).
It just pisses me off that I can’t join in on the biggest anti French-bashing blog (an issue I care deeply about) and that those people who couldn’t care less about French bashing can.

All [SF vs Barney] discussions have been moved to a private thread.

posts #1 and #2 were written as a reaction to the third.
That’s a bit confusing.

I appreciate what you’re trying to do Miquelon but I don’t think it’s necessary.
I haven’t posted on SF’s blog in weeks. Let him insult me and lie about me all he wants on his blog. He has censored me on his blog and now he has censored me on Bremner’s blog too.
As long as he doesn’t censor me here, I’m fine.

When I come to miquelon, I know I’m surrounded by people who care deeply about fighting against French-bashing and that’s the only thing I’m interested in so I don’t want to be dragged into an endless flame war with SF everytime I come here.

Despite evrything that’s been going on between us two, I still have respect for the guy and it pains me immensly that things have come to this.
I wish we could start over somehow but unfortunately I know that’s impossible now.

Hillblogger, Andre:

Like I said, I do not wish to debate Barney. However, following this debate in this thread, I wanted to show some of the emails posted by him in my blog under various nicknames in the last couple of weeks:

[redacted – my name] est une sous merde
Asura.Pain@aol.com | 86.202.9.99
“F/u to Mike “”
so let me get this straight, SF. [redacted – Greg’s name] can insult anyone he wants on this blog and he never gets reprimanded ?
You’re such a pathetic loser. . 😀
From Republican bogeymen: France and… science!, 2008/10/30 at 12:46 PM
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[redacted – my name] est une ptite pute
deva.pain@gmail.com | 86.202.13.32
”
S-F 162: you only succeeded in demonstrating you have poor reading skills. If you are one of those a-holes who threatened to leave the US if Bush won, yeah, you’re an extremis”
lol
How long are you gonna tolerate Mister [redacted – Greg’s name]’ abuse, [redacted – my name]?
oh wait, I forgot you liked that, you little cunt. Carry on. . 😀
From Another Election Mess?, 2008/10/29 at 8:20 AM
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[redacted – my name] est un hypcrite
deva.pain@gmail.com | 86.200.179.214
lol
how long will you tolerate Greg [redacted – Greg]’s name]’s abuse, [redacted – my name]?
Oh I forgot you actually like being insulted by anti-French Republikkkan scum like [redacted – Greg’s name].
Carry on. . 😀
From Another Election Mess?, 2008/10/28 at 6:41 PM
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[redacted – my name] est un hypcrite
deva.pain@gmail.com | 86.219.67.10
encore bouffé par le spam catcher
sale petit fasciste
From Another Election Mess?, 2008/10/25 at 8:18 AM
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Here is one where he uses the miquelon’s web site as his own address. There are many like those:
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Martyr de la résistance
http://www.miquelon.org | kiluagon@gmail.com | 86.197.152.67
Merde c’est pas passé.
Ca finira par passer tot ou tard t’inquiètes pas, [redacted – my last name];
From Another Election Mess?, 2008/10/24 at 3:37 PM
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Pullam
jj@lo.com | 86.197.153.75
“”He lives in Montpellier (goes to university over there). Who do I contact?””
not to burst your bubble mais je pense que ma fac à d’autres chats à fouetter que de regler des disputes de blog
Tu crois qu’ils vont me retirer mon Master parceque je t’ai traité de connard et de lache sur internet ? LMAO
ps: plus tu parles de moi, plus je te ferai chier. Si le peu que je poste t’enerves tant et si tu veux continuer comme ça je te garantis que tu n’as encore rien vu.
Personellemnt je t’encourage à continuer. C’est fun. . 😀
From The Lafayette Squadron, or how the French co-founded the US Air Force, 2008/09/17 at 3:14 PM
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Pullam
jj@lo.com | 86.197.153.75
“””Tocquevil says:
September 17th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Come on Borb, you can do way better. See? You just got the ass-kicking this poor effort deserved. Our friend Greg is a much more subtle closet French-basher.
lol [my name – redacted], ma ptite pute.
On dirait que je ne suis pas le seul à considerer Greg [greg’s name – redacted] comme un French-basher.
Are you going to ban, Tocquevil ?
From The Lafayette Squadron, or how the French co-founded the US Air Force, 2008/09/17 at 8:36 AM
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Pullam
jj@lo.com | 86.197.25.203
Jeez, what a surprise.
Greg voices his disapproval of you going after French bashers.
And Bigard. One French stand up comedian who later apologized on the hand one and a newpaper on the other. Not the same thing.
What a fucking moron Greg [Greg’s name – redacted] is.
From Charles Bremner and American French-bashers: showing their true colors, 2008/09/12 at 12:11 PM</i>
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And then of course there’s the comment that ends with this death threat: “Ne t’inquiètes pas. Je finirai bien par t’enterrer va…”

http://superfrenchie.com/?p=1598#comment-319431
Also, here are 2 print screens reflecting the sheer numbers of comments. On the first one, you can see the number of comments (615). On the second, you can see Barney’s (posting as Pullam) obsessive nature:
http://superfrenchie.com/Pics/Blog/SuperFrenchie/barney-screen_1.jpg
http://superfrenchie.com/Pics/Blog/SuperFrenchie/barney-screen_2.jpg
Also note that in the last couple of days he has been impersonating me at Charles Bremner’s blog with my actual last name in order to insult other posters (then he calls others “cowards”…

There are 615 comments like those above in my moderation folder (see the first screen shot to view this number). I did not keep them all and I only started saving them after his first death threat a couple of years ago. All in all, it’s about 1000 comments, all moderated, which Barney has tried to post on my blog. Most of them come minutes after postings from Greg, as he is literally obsessed by him. I do not think that those posts, which are more stalking than comments, would enhance my blog.
 
I am sorry that keeping Barney off my blog diminishes its value in your eyes.

PS: The second screen shot is in list view, which is why you do not see the messages themselves. Feel free to ask, although I would prefer in private, or directly on my blog.

Monsieur SF’s lies and affabulations above are the works of a very disturbed individual, I’m afraid.

I have posted maybe 50 comments on monsieur SF’s blog over the past few months -and that’s being generous-  mostly complaining about “Greg”, an ultra right wing forumer who has mocked, insulted and belittled monsieur SF’s work for years.
It is true that those posts are mostly inflammatory in nature but that is only because I know they were not meant to be published and were to be seen only by monsieur SF, an individual who has treated me appallingly and unfairly,  lying about me and insulting me on his blog without giving me any opportunity to defend myself. So excuse me if I’m a little pissed, I’m only human.

Notice further how monsieur SF has conveniently forgotten to include all the posts where I simply linked to articles bashing the French on the INTERNET ans asking for his reaction, for some of the posts I have written on miquelon.org I have also written on monsieur SF’s blog in the hope that they would be published. Alas to no avail.  I guess it’s easier to make look like some kind of crazy person that way.
Notice further how monsieur SF simply glosses over all my posts defending him and praising him for his work. I guess those don’t matter… Only the posts I have written in anger after being antagonized and humiliated do for some strange reason.

As for my “impersonation” of monsieur SF. That’s simply another lie. On Bremner’s blog I said right away that I was not in fact the real Superfrenchie. I used your name only to remind you that once upon a time instead of asking Bremner to censor my posts (where I was defending the French people against vile anti-French comments) you would have joined in the fight and denounced what is the most disgusting instance of French-bashing I have seen in at least 2 years.
And the fact that you would try to censor the only person fighting French-bashers on that disgusting Vichy thread is indeed very telling.
Oh my god I called people insulting the French behind the safety of their computer screens, coward…imagine that.
But isn’t that what you used to do on your blog ? That’s a weird accusation coming from you…

Despite his trashing of me I will reiterate my former statement in this thread. I still respect monsieur  SF and I’m immensely pained by what has become a personal vendetta on his part.
However,monsieur SF’s accusations tha he has had to moderate 615 posts of mine is absolutely ludicrous and laughable. Most of those posts were simply not written by me.
As for death threats…Malgrés toute cette années passées aux états-unis, ne faites pas semblant de ne pas connaitre l’expression, “il nous enterrera tous”.  La mauvaise foi a ces limites.

I understand that you’re pissed that miquelon has given us equal status (oh how that must piss you off) on this thread and hasn’t caved in to your pressure to single me out as a village idiot  but that’s no excuse to try and disccredit me the way you do.

I would appreciate it if you stopped harassing me, now sir.
Thank you.

“However,monsieur SF’s accusations that he has had to moderate 615 posts of mine is absolutely ludicrous and laughable.If those posts exist, most of them were simply not written by me.”

Make that 1000. I hadn’t noticed that monsieur SF had apparently upped the ante to a 1000.
Qui dit mieux ? Why not 2000 or 10 000, tant qu’on y est ?
Autant se faire plaisir, Denis.

ps:  I hope you won’t consider this another “death threat”.  🙂

Pardonne moi miquelon. Je sais que tu as effacé le thread SFVBarney mais vu que SF continue à m’insulter sur son blog sans raisons apparentes et vu que je ne peux me défendre sur son blog. Permets moi juste de lui répondre ici “In my case, it was Barney, who has some sort of obsessive illness. I have the feeling that it’s again Barney posting under the name of OF. This guy calls others cowards but then he goes around posting under other people’s names… Amazing!” I have no idea what SF is alluding too here. After an intense lobbying on SF’s part mister Bremner has censored me on his blog. Like SF has censored me on his. So how could I still be posting on Bremner’s blog. That’s pure paranoid slander here. As for calling people cowards. Yes I’ve been calling people portraying the French as effate smelly cowards behind the safety of their computer screens cowards, ye I plead guilty. Je leur ai retourné le compliment. What’s the big deal ? Vous l’avez lu ce “Vichy thread”, monsieur SF ? Vous avez réussi à censurer et à faire effacer les messages de la seule personne qui se battaient contre les francophobes. Un grand bravo encore. “”Barney still posts under Miquelon probably because that’s the only place from which he hasn’t been banned yet. He started ranting over there about me and Marc had to lock then delete the thread. Like I said, the guy is sick!”” Votre problème cher SF c’est que j’ai osé vous tenir tete et répondre à vos accusations mensongères à mon sujet. En réaction à une question d’André Wernesson. Vous aviez cru que vous pourriez m”insulter impénuement sans que je puisse me défendre ce qui s’apparente à de la lacheté par ailleurs (désolé d’enfoncer le clou). Vous vous etes trompé. J’ai exposé vos mensonges et votre conduite inacceptable à mon égard au grand jour et vous ne l’avez pas supporté. Je vous prierai, monsieur, d’arreter de m’apostropher sur votre blog. Je ne vous importune plus, ne m’importunez plus à votre tour.

“”He started ranting over there about me and Marc had to lock then delete the thread””

Miquelon. Is that the reason you locked the thread before ?

I locked the thread because that’s how I manage the blog when issues wind down. Please, let’s leave it at that.

Very well said, Marc.
Bravo.

I’m worried that this administration and the disastrous side-effects of its policies will have long standing effects for French-Americans.
Surrender jokes, ‘smelly’ slurs; it’s all become part of the background of American pop culture almost every time the French are mentioned.
And unfortunately, it’s still going pretty strong.
Just last night on the Daily Show for instance…

I have the hope that an Obama presidency based on diplomacy and the respect of International Law will open many people’s eyes and alleviate a little bit the anti-French misunderstandings, myths and prejudices that have emerged or re-emerged during the Bush – Cheney years.

I apologize on behalf of my very very very stupid country.  We are a nation composed of idiots.  (As proof I offer the results of our 2000 and 2004 elections and the vapid drivel spewed by †, ‡ , *, and ¶.)

“”SuperFrenchie says:

November 15th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Flocon 107: I confirm that this is Barney aka Flagg aka La Question aka the guy that has close to to a thousand moderated posts here who is impersonating Old Frog at Bremner’s blog.
Man, Barney is a sicko!””
 
 
That’s a complete lie.
For the last time, stop obsessing and lying about me on your blog.

Tnak you.

Miquelon: Chapeau! Indeed, now, political amnesia will settle in; but we’ve still got a lot of work ahead of us; just like at the end of WWI or WWII, the catastrophe has ended, but the reconstruction has just begun!

Reality Cheque — no need to apologize for your fellow countrymen. We understand that only a very stupid minority of people actually engage in French-bashing, and therefore, at least personally, I appreciate American anti-bashers doubly.

Well, RealityCheque, Americans are no stupid as they elected Obama ! Whereas the french elected an hysterical rightwing (nut) dwarf with a complex of inferiority (but he has a sexy italian wife, so the situation is not so hopeless than one might think…)

Miquelon:

Amen to that!

Let’s hope that the French bashing will stop now. I’ve lived 5 years of insults, slander and was forced out of a job because of my French heritage.

Let’s hope that attitudes and people will change, now that Obama is elected. The party of “dissent is treason” was voted out of office.  I will give people the benefit of the doubt and say that they finally realized what Bush and Co. stood for and said NEVER AGAIN  at the voting booth.

Denise, and everybody else of course, our documentary is now going into post-production. It is to be called [Educating Jay] which is all about Miquelon.org’s cross country road trip and attempt at giving Jay Leno some French history books (summer of 2006).

We will need audio for some of the segments.

Tell us your story.

We would love to have people like you drop us a simple PHONE MESSAGE, it can be as short or as long as you wish, telling us your story.

Please feel free to call 646-495-9201 extension 77707
This is a New York number so long distance charges do apply

“”Denise says: November 15th, 2008 at 5:41 pm SF: It’s too bad that you’re banning Barney/Flagg/La Question. I’d love to read his posts, It’s makes for a good laugh! Have you considered putting his insults in a special thread, one that was not available for reply, all strung along so that we could read them and be entertained? He might be an asshole, but at least he could be an entertaining asshole “” Denise. The first post of this thread is mine. 😉 I’m Barney/Flagg/La Question Don’t believe the hype 😉

You might as well lock this thread, miquelon.
Le mal est fait.  SF a gagné.

Je ne peux pas lutter seul contre tout son blog et l’influence que monsieur SF exerce aujourd’hui sur la blgosphère franco-amérciaine.
Le post de Denise plus haut en est le parfait example.

J’ai dépensé vraiment beaucoup d’energie à lutter contre le French-bashing ces dernères années et me voir traité de la sorte,  qu’on me fasse passer pour un malade mental, sur le plus gros blog anti French bashing par quelqu’un pour qui j’avais vraiment beaucoup de respect est une ironie du sort bein cruelle et injuste.
Ca me dégoute trop. Je n’ai plus envie de dépenser de l’énérgie à me battre pour des gens comme ça.
Ca n’en vaut pas le coup.

ps: Monsieur SF. J’espere que vous serez satisfait. Je ne vous importunerez plus et vous etes à nouveau désormais libre de me ridiculiser sur votre blog sans aucune contradictions de ma part.
Si certaines de mes actions vous ont heurté à ce point, je vous demande votre pardon du plus profond de mon coeur.
Malgré tout le mal et les mensonges que vous avez pu dire sur moi je vous souhaite quand meme une bonne continuation dans vore combat contre le French-bashing.

Miquelon, merci pour tout ce que tu as fait pour moi. Et bonne chance pour ton documentaire. Je serai un des premiers à le regarder.

A un de ces jours.

Must say, there’s one thing that this Bush administration, their villification of the French has done for my kids —  they became more proud patriotic French who learned to combat the bashings with class and intelligence and a healthy dose of stinging humour. They received their share of villifying from their own school mates (they went to an international school) that there were times my daughter would be fuming mad, raging and almost in tears for being encountering “idiots” as she used to call those who bashed the French; my son who was 12 at the time got into a couple of fist fights…

My own experience: In the aftermath of the French refusal to countenance the US illegal invasion of and war on Iraq, things got pretty difficult for us in official and social circles where my spouse (who is English) and I “circulated” and the French were often the butt of strong gratuitous criticisms (even in my presence) and sometimes when people didn’t know I was French, some people would profer virulent anti-French expletives. The first time I heard something offensive against the French, I was just dumbstruck and did a tit-for-tat. 

One thing positive that came out of this odious period was that I’ve stopped taking my being French for granted and have since given the American and/or British bashers as good as I got! In other words, I never accepted crap from anybody, no matter who was dishing the crap, American or British official or not (my spouse has “more or less” an official status but not me so I couldn’t care less!) 

Matter of fact I have spoken openly and bashed Bush, his American neo-con cronies, et al, even to members of the US military or diplomatic corps and even to some members of the US press I used to run into in social or diplomatic functions.)

Miquelon:

I live in northern NJ, so long distance charges wouldn’t apply 😉

I’d love to tell you some of the abuse I received because of my French heritage. However, I’m really afraid of speaking out because I’m afraid of negative repercussions.  I know that sounds stupid, but after 8 years of Bush, I’m scared shitless of political repercussions. 🙁  My husband is French, and we’re finishing up the permanent green card business.

If i gave you some stories, could you just use my first name and not my last name?

Miquelon:

you have my email address. If possible, could you reply to me there? I don’t always get a chance to login here, and the webadmins at work like to block all blogs, social networking sites, etc.

It’s always a challenge to get around their proxies 😉

Hillblogger:

You go!!   I feel the same way. Since this French bashing became politically correct, I am more proud of my French heritage than ever.   I have told the French bashers off, including a WW2 veteran, and I told him off in a stinging, truthful way that shut his mouth big time.

Your children should feel proud that they hail from a culture with a long, proud, artistic, strong, intellectual and creative history.

After all that, they still  brag about good French wine 😀

The French bashing has effected me.  I am American of partial French descent.  I’m proud of my French heritage.  I love the French culture.  I am bilingual French.
The French bashing made me want to learn more about France and the French so that I would have plenty of ammunition to fight back. 
I’m happy that our president-elect does not have an Anglo-Saxon name and does not look Anglo-Saxon either. 

I’m always ready to silence the bigots.

Marc, I will call you after I decide exactly what it is that I’m going to say.

I relate to Denise’s and Hillblogger’s comments.

Thank you to those who have already left us voice mail !

Hi Denise — they bullied you too to the extent that you resigned from your job? I am apalled at the stupidity of some people.

Way to go Irish-Franco-American!

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There are people that freezly issued that the paratroopers killed in Afghanistan , were all shoot at the back when running away!
Do you really believe at this level of insanity that things are going to be well soon ?
I totally agree with hillblogger and about forgive…i don’t know.
It willbe hard..really.

Hillblogger:

I didn’t resign. I was questioned officially by the admins if I was an American or a “Foreign national”  because parents were calling up the superintendant and telling him to fire that “French woman.”

I have documentation, because the union rep was with me. My 2nd year there, the students were questioning my nationality, questioning why I spoke French, I was harassed by other teachers for knowing French, for having lived in France, etc. 

I was terminated at the end of my 2nd year for totally fabricated reasons. I also have documentation of this. in addition, one of the school board members told me in front of the entire school population, including other board members, parents, admins,  what they did to me, WHY and how she was telling me this because she had nothing to do with their dirty politics and she thought I was getting shafted.

For the record, i was born in the USA.

I’m at my new job now for 5 years. I’m tenured, and nobody cares what my nationality is. I work with people from all over the world and you hear a variety of languages here. thus, no French bashing 🙂

Denise
Please think about telling us your story by voice mail leaving out names and traceable info, we can alter voices easily.

MIquelon:

As long as my identity can be hidden, then I have no problem with telling you the story.  I already posted it here and at SuperFrenche’s site.

I have more than that one incident!  This bashing happens non-stop.  The insults, the harassment, I’m sick of this shit.

Denise, that is a most terrible, appaling and gobsmacking story. Words fail me…

How could they, merely on the basis of your cultural background, give in to bigots? Did you sue for discriminatory practice?

Unbelievable that lynch mob mentality in America still thrives in our day and age, and to think that this was triggered by an odious, illegal, immoral invasion of and war on Iraq. The mind boggles!

That said, we’re not better off in Europe. Many Brits are as parochial as many Americans when it comes to the French. And I’m not exaggerating. To show you how bad it is, my son’s best friend whose mother is French and whose father is a Brit and who is perfectly bilingual has now completely refused to speak French after he and my son experienced bullying at school  because France didn’t join the British-American alliance to invade Iraq (my son remains stubborn and strong-willed and continues to say he is as French as he is English and tough on those who can’t accept it). 

I have sparred with my own English mother-in-law for bashing the French — fortunately she’s stopped because as I’ve said, I’ve made it my life’s motto that <i>I ain’t accepting no French bashing crap from nobody no longer.</i>

In any case, I’m glad you  left for a better employment. Good luck!

Denise, I read your story before on SuperFrenchie’s site.  It’s really appalling what you went through.  The level of anti-French bigotry that emerged a few years ago was surprising to me.  I’m happy that it has improved since then although it was better before 2003.

We all put the start at 2003, but I think it’s been simmering for some time, and 2003 was the explosion they were all waiting for. For instance, Dennis Miller had already been writing his disgusting surrender jokes for some time, and the “cheese-eating surrender monkey” phrase was even earlier…

Yes, French Bashing is much older, look at the 1995 Mururoa tests and their consequences, or Howard Stern’s Montréal inauguration performance, or Leno’s bashing after the 1998 world cup…

Denise – let it out ! Let all the frustration out.
646-495-9201 extension 77707

Do I know if it was French bashing? NO, because there were other political forces working behind the scenes.  However, when parents file formal complaints to the superintendant because of your heritage, when the principals have to “explain” to the complaining parents why the teacher taught the students French (which is required under the foreign languages part of the education law), instead of German,Spanish, Russian, Turkish, Hindi or Italian, as if any other language is accpetable except FRENCH, when other teachers slander me because I’m proud of my French heritage, and hang repulsive anti-French signs in the faculty room,   then I start to see a pattern here….

Did I tell you the story about the bigoted American doctor in Saranac Lake, NY who told me and my French husband that French and Quebecois (hi Miquelon!) were dirty, unwashed, smelly, hairy women, etc… all because when my leg fractured on Wright’s peak and I went to the urgent care facility, i had neglected to COMPLETELY groom myself before going to see this doctor??  

Apparantly, he expected me to be perfectly coifed, shaved, etc. when I couldn’t walk due to the earth giving way under my leg on the side of the mountain.  He thought he was being funny by insulting French and Quebecois in front of me and French Husband. We thought he was just being an asshole.  This was July, 2008.

Now, let me tell you about the postal worker from last Christmas who told me to go back to France……

This shit never ends.   Long live Obama. Maybe having a person of color in the White House will change things, or at least put a damper on French bashing.

Time for a nice little prunelle de bourgogne before sleeping!

bonne nuit! 🙂

Miquelon:

You need to add me to your facebook friends list. We knew each other on French IRC.  I already have salix and chainess on my list 😉

André and Miquelon,

Right you are! But the whole French bashing exercise became an international phenomenon of incredible proportions when the Repugs headed by Bush led the onslaught — that’s what I actually meant by “triggered.”

Denise,

Gosh! I would have bashed the doctor on the head had he said that in my presence. 

Your had been through some more gross injustice than I had imagined! I am so sorry to hear that. If I may offer a bit of consolation: Your French heritage gives you a far more civilised advantage — those people who gave you the rough treatment aren’t worth the ground you walk on.

Hillblogger — I agree. That’s why, sadly, we can’t yet engage in singing “ding dong, the witch is dead”: the witch is alive and well, I’m afraid, and it’s going to be decades before all these retarded stereotypes disappear.

Unless… unless of course, a strong French-American lobby could appear, thus making French-bashing as unacceptable as antisemitism or mexican-bashing, for instance.

No one mentions Ezra Suleiman as en expert in French bashing. But i think he would deserve it. He is more educated than Jay Leno and co of course, and speaks French. But the content of most of his articles is a systematical lecturing of France, blaming it in fact for not beeing enough like America and of course not acting enough in foreign affairs like the US. This is his message.

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