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One of the consequences of bullying is that the bullyed can’t take a joke anymore. Every single comment directed at him will be seen as further bullying, even if that’s the last thing on the person’s mind. This also applies to french-bashing. After having been subjected for years to surrender jokes, dirty jokes, after seeing each and every thing we do mercilessly criticized (even if other countries who do them are left alone), we can’t take a joke anymore. No more than Italians can take a joke about the Maffia, I guess.

Oh! Mrbadexample ! I can feel the love…
A true francophile…

Eh ben, you have to wonder why all those apologists have appeared all of a sudden.
No pasaran aurait linké ce post sur leur hate site ?

“Good luck covering up all the jews you sent to die BTW,  more from France than any other occupied country you pansies.”

Ahem!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_War_Against_the_JewsTable.png

And here the count of the “Righteous Among the Nations”, those non-Jews who saved Jews during the war.  BTW: France: 2833. USA: 3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_among_the_nations#Count_by_country

Oh, I’m sure mrbadexample will tell us he’s a francophile.  A les écouter ils le sont tous.
They lecture us about surrendering to the nazis even though they sound like fucking nazis themselves.

There’s been a lot of bashers and apologists appearing in the past few hours. 
I wonder what’s up with that

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Sur internet les ados geeks ignorants ‘s’en donnent à coeur joie dans la haine et la conneire, c’est pas nouveau.

Danc ce cas ci ce qui est choquant c’est que c’est un article du guardian, un grand journal de centre gauche qui ne nous avait pas habitué à ça contrairement à leurs concurrents torchons du rat Murdoch.

I believe what’s worse is that the (supposedly French) lady (the one showing the hotel room to the Americans) says “Vous allez voir le television?” – That sentence has at least 3 errors in it…

J’aime la France. And I’m not American. But when I first read the roundup last week, I thought it was a parody.

While French-bashing has become quite common among a certain part of the American population, the sheer density of stereotypes should give a hint as to its intent. Also note that everything that comes after the actual news (ie, Angelina Jolie will have to stay three more days in the hospital) is absolutely absurd – are people who are offended at this suggesting that the writer truly believes the doctors will be having sex with their mistresses instead of letting her leave the hospital? Or that they are locking her in the ward while they party for July 14th? This is either satire, or an incredibly stupid attack. It may be that for a bullied people the tolerance level is lower, but for someone who is neither American nor French, this was satire. Not particularly funny, but not xenophobic, either.

Miquelon – you are not only confused, but tirelessly stubborn.  Ryan Tate’s explanation was not a “just kidding” defense.  It was an explanation of the context you and many of your readers missed: the piece was satire.  I suggest you check out Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal,” a paradigm of the genre, and then re-evaluate your tirade.

Your tragedy is that there really are francophobic issues to take issue with in this huge world of ours.  The fact you erroneously have decided to skewer a satire only underscores that it won’t be you who will be leading an intelligent charge against such problems. 

Dommage.

Satire is difficult. It requires context, but it’s hard to provide that as people surf the Internet. Some of the sincere critique against France during the attack and destruction of Iraq was indistinguishable of, and was going BEYOND the worst satire. It had real effects (ask the Iraqis), because it invalidated the seriousness of the critiques about the proposed attack by the Bushmen.
France herself is strong enough to take whatever. In May-June 1940, she was fighting 145 Nazi divisions, plus the Soviet Union (giver of oil to the Nazis, among other things) and the USA (giver of technology to the Nazis, and oil too). Details on early essays on Tyranosopher (http://patriceayme.com/).
So humor is difficult. Was the Susanne above joking? One can only hope she did not: such specimens full of distasteful cliches have mostly disappeared in today’s European UNION. It’s a nice reminder of how venimous their species used to be. But of course (physical) cleanness was big with the Nazis. They used it to hide their dirty motives.
Patrice Ayme

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Jean-Paul,

You are either insane or 12 years old, the French loved them some fascism –  the commies only started blowing up trains and ambushing small groups of germans AFTER it was clear they were going to be liberated by the Allied forces. Facing the HEER in actual combat, controlling land, building an authentic fight force for liberation like Tito did (something even the Poles managed to accomplish despite constant reprisals) was never on the menu for the snail suckers … much too dangerous. If Hitler has beaten the SU to a draw on the Eastern front you would, indeed, all be speaking German now. If the Germans had lost the SU would have razed all before them, they wouldn’t have stopped ’till they reached the med and crapped in all the fancy bowls at Marseilles. 

It should be said, however, that nobody was more helpful to the Nazi’s than the Vichy regime (gleefully handing over 75,000 jews to be executed) so there is a chance Hitler may have let you keep a smidgen of your ridiculous national pride and allowed french to be spoken without reprisal, out of a sense of grandiosity. The simple fact is WW1 sucked the will to fight from the french and they have yet to recover it. Admittedly their losses were atrocious, perhaps the gene pool was just wiped clean of brave men and what lives now are just the descendants of the dregs?

Can you ban this (by respect for your work, miquelon, I will stay polite) guy, please ?

I mean, if even here on an anti French bashing blog, we have to be confronted with that racist revisonist filth, it kind of negates the point.

We have enough on our plates already with fighting those people on other blogs (we’ve all done it) sans avoir à se les coltiner ici en plus.

Well, it’s painfull to admit it, but I think that mrbadexample is right here when he says that it is impossible that France had liberated only by itself, neither Yougoslavia did : they left the country, certainly harrassed by Tito’s partisans, but they lest because fronts were collapsing in the Est, and they need troops. So we owe very much to the ALLIES and particularly USA AND UK.
Nevertheless, one should be considered as an ignoramus, if he choose to diminish or to ignore the very existance, and role, of the resistance movement in the whole Europe and in France : an estimated 200k to 400k enrolled in the resistance (roughly the same than it’s Polish counterpart) making it amongst the largest resistance movement. US General (I am certain about Einsenhower, and perhaps Patton – he NEVER made that infamant joke about french tanks divisions -) aknowledged the vital importance of the french resistance for D-Day for example… This was joke Jay Leno which makes Jay Leno laugh.
As for the “decayed gene pool theory” according to Mrbadexample, well, I think that crap deserve to be qualified as racist and morronic (pleonasm : a racist is a morron), at very least, but think that Mrbadexample is no more than a sort of neonazis.

The difference being that Swift’s talent made his intentions obvious to all.
This is not the case, I’m afraid, with Mr Tate who is neihter funny nor talented.

Just stop stereotyping us and insulting us every chance you got.  Period. Is that too much to ask ?
We would like to be more than an abstract sum of offensive clichés to our american friends.
We have like the most pro-american President in the western world now. Isn’t that what you folks always wanted ? Can you treat us like normal people now ?

Onion Johnny. Don’t debate this guy, man.

Please, you’re better than this.
Don’t even acknowledge the scum as if  he was something more than a
racist troll from fuckfrance or no pasaran.

Tu lui fais vraiment trop d’honneur là.

Onion Johnny, please don’t debate this racist troll.

You’re better than this , man.
Even acknowledging the scum as something other than a racist troll from ff or no pasaran should be an insult to your intelligence.

Tu lui fais trop d’honneur là.
Laisse le pourir dans sa haine et sa conneire jusqu’à ce qu’on s’occupe de lui.

“You’re better than this , man.
Even acknowledging the scum as something other than a racist troll from ff or no pasaran should be an insult to your intelligence.”

Tu vas me faire rougir…

I am ready to reduce my charge against Ryan to “satire with intent to defame”, a sub class of anti-French offenses.
Marc in Tioga NY

ONE YEAR LATER: Ryan Tate renews his French Bashing.

@ryantate “One year ago today, I accepted a French surrender. http://bit.ly/LMzDe Happy Bastille Day!”

OUR STANDARD RESPONSE: About that Surrender Thing…

• French Surrender Jokes as offensive to us as 9/11 jokes to Americans
• “France’s army did not simply surrender or run away in 1940, as ignorant American Know-Nothing conservatives claim.” http://bit.ly/2x7V98
• French surrender jokes are offensive. We had 300 000 military dead, 2 million labor camp, 4 years occupation.
• WW1: 1.6 million military dead, WW2: 300 000 military dead (as much as USA).

I can talk to French Bashers, I can try to educate Haters, but there is one thing I cannot stand, it is insincerity.

Two things:
1) I refuse to be held – or to hold anyone – perpetually and collectively guilty for the actions of our forefathers (Vichy – Antisemitism – Colonialism). My point remains: WWII was a horror among horrors, and I thank all veterans equally,be they that gentleman at the CrackerBarrel in Buffalo NY,or be they from Newfoundland, or my uncles who joined the RAF, or the 2e DB,or vets from Yorkshire, Senegal or Moskva. They are not fodder for political hacks from FoxNews or Trolls.

2) Please respect the terms of service

Sorry for any typos, using iPod Touch.

Sorry Miquelon but it isn’t that simple, you condemn America for saving you with the same tongue you praise yourselves? Awfully hypocritical and outright “revisionist”. Nobody blames “You” for Vichy but WW2 was perhaps the worst hour in all of french history and America did, indeed, save you all from the Germans or the SU or from just killing more innocent Jews. Grow up and stop pointing your finger at a stupid politician who is humorously pointing out THE TRUTH.

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mrbad – much aware off all this, and like many compatriots have learned of and about this in High School and through multiple cultural and societal channels. Enough organ grinding. Please read previous comment.

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“Enough organ grinding” LOL, so why the long face when we poke a little fun at you surrender monkeys? All of the sudden it’s “france bashing” and American revisionism. You’re just a tad sensitive and I was explaining why to the uninitiated. If you can’t take it, don’t make such inane posts.  You were taking issue with the fact that America claims credit for winning WW2, right? Well, we deserve to. The French, however, deserve no credit. It is a subject you would all do well to steer clear of. The historical facts back me up, not you. Trying to make french bashing into some sort of PC call to arms is silly, boring and ultimately hilarious which is why I just had to stop by. Thanks for the yucks.

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I think they are saying “Vous avez voir le television”, meaning that it’s even more wrong than what you put. I actually googled it trying to find this video to see if that was really what they put in the commercial.

Onion Johnny
“they left the country, certainly harrassed by Tito’s partisans, but they lest because fronts were collapsing in the Est, and they need troops.”
But that ‘s exactly what would have happened in France it the Anglo-American landing had never happened.

Just a little example for Mrbadexample (how did you ever pick up such a name?).

“In 1944, as a reprisal for a Resistance atack, SS troops murdered 642 residents of tiny Oradour-sur-Glane, including 190 children and several Jews the villagers were sheltering.    Only two residents survived, a woman and an eight year old boy.   No AMERICAN, not even a war veteran like Rooney, has THE RIGHT to make easy judgments about what happened in occupied France”   Thane Peterson

That about says it all.  I have used that one example among many to shut the mouth of arrogant people just like you!

You have no idea of what war is.   Just get off your wild west psychology and grow up.

I am 86 years old, was a member of the resistance in the French/Italian Alps and know what happened.   Get off your horses, please.

Bon au revoir, miquelon.

Je ne peux plus rester sur ce blog si des energumènes comme mrbadexample sont pris au sérieux et débattus comme si de rien n’était.

Ce n’est pas supportable.
Pourquoi faites vous son jeux comme ça ?

Barney — it seems to me your primary complaint against Mr. Tate is that he’s a very poor satirist. Which is a fair comment. But does the fact that miquelon.org or its authors or commenters are poor bloggers or commenters diminish the fact that you are indeed blogging, commenting, and writing? No. Likewise, Mr. Tate’s failure (in your eyes) as a satirist doesn’t render him a francophobe. Moreover, the value of satire is not dependent on it being clear to “all” (as you put it).

Miquelon — votre reclassement n’a vraiment aucun sens. Encore, il me semble que vous n’avez pas compris le sens de satire: c-à-d une pièce où l’on ridiculise les idées à la mode, les systèmes politiques, ou les vedettes. Est-ce qu’il y a vraiment pas d’autres nouvelles qui méritent votre attention à part le courrier mondain de gawker.com?

Je suis étonné de constater la colère manifesté à l’endroit de M Tate qui me paraît absolument démesuré.

Barney – quelques jours encore et ce sera sans aucun doute le banissement – je suis en déplacement pour l’instant.

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Maryse :

You get off YOUR HOURSE (tos). The myth of french “resistance” is easy to dispell once one looks at the facts. The massacre at Oradour-sur-Glane was an SS excess that WAS NOT ACTUALLY CAUSED BY ANY PARTISAN ACTIVITY! I repeat, the partisans did not even incite the SS to act! A rumor had spread the french partisans had captured an SS officer while in reality they were with you, having a wine and cheese party, smoking and talking philosophy! There were no SS officers being held him at Oradour-sur-Glane –  IT WAS NOT TRUE. Even after the SS had looted the town and discovered that fact they killed off the villagers anyway, slowly, and for the fun of it. That’s what the SS did for fun. I do not make “easy judgments” about the french resistance, it is well known that they were an impediment to the Allies. Any comments to the contrary were made to soothe the delicate feeling of the french who had been so deeply shamed.  One has only to look at the numerous accounts of the Allied soldiers who landed at D-Day, over and over in all of their personal accounts they comment on how fat and happy the Normans looked while their families and loved ones were stick thin from rationing.  They wrote of finding normans LOOTING THE BODIES OF DEAD ALLIED SOLDIERS! So much so that guards had to be posted to keep these norman botflys from the bodies. The Normans loved the Germans, never wanted them to leave! VIVA LA FRANCE!

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Also, how can we forget the wonderful work of the French Resistance during the Battle of the Bulge, probably the most important battle  fought by the Allies for the French themselves! I’ll keep it short: Basically Hitler threw everything he could at the Allies in December ”44 in an attempt to destroy the British forces north of the Ardenne. He lauched two huge attacks, one against the allies around Bastogne and a diversionary attack in Alsace. The Americans were hard pressed and fought hard just to hold the line (that’s what AMERICANS do) however they had to draw off forces from the southern region to support their defense and logically, when you have fewer forces, you take a shorter line of defense. Eisenhower wanted the Seventh Army to withdraw to shortened lines to create reserves, essentially ceding northern Alsace back to the Germans. General Jean de Lattre de Tassigny adamantly refused and made it clear the if the Allies gave up Strasbourg again the french resistance WOULD ATTEMPT TO CUT ALLIED SUPPLY LINES. As a result of this cowardly backstabbing, Eisenhower had no choice but to ask the 7th Army to fight it out without reserves, which they did, at one point attacked on all sides and with horrendous casualties. MORE FRENCH HEROISM!

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mrbadexample, enjoy your racist revisionist trolling while you can because you will be banned soon

and I don’t want to burst your bubble, but I really doubt anyone reads your filth in its entirety.  So you know, don’t bother. I would advise you instead to resume your cocksucking duties on fuckfrance.com. Your masters miss you when you get out of your cage.

Enjoy your racist revisionist trolling while you can, mrbadexample. You will be banned soon.

And I don’t want to burst your bubble but I really doubt anyone is reading your insane filth in its entirety.
So don’t bother.
(tos)

To mrbadexamples :

Bill O Reilly we have recognized you !!  go back to work ! And give us a break.

Barney : I really doubt anyone is reading your insane filth in its entirety.

I don’t ! LOL get lost mrbadexemple, you don’t like us, fine, go away then.  By your standards we certainly don’t deserve to be educated so don’t try to. Thank you very much and have a nice day.

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Why are you all so afraid of the truth? Does it bother you to find out what depths you’ve sunk to in the past, just so your fat gourmands can feast on camemberts sticky with the blood of Americans who’ve saved you? LOL. NOW THAT IS SOME FRENCH BASHING! Learn to tell the difference you ponces.

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Ces malades sont tellement obsedé par la France que leur trou à rats habituels ne leur suffisent plus.
Faut aussi qu’ils viennent exposer leur démence haineuse sur les sites anti French-bashing maintenant.

C’est vraiment des malades, au sense clinique du terme.

Mentir, déformer l’histoire, insulter, insinuer, tout est bon pour eux pour démontrer que l’ensemble des français sont des laches.
Ce qui est une obsession pathologique, qui dénote de graves problèmes de self-esteem, chez eux.  Ils y passent des heures et des heures en plus à faire ça,  pour certains TOUS LES JOURS sur certains sites.

Je ne suis pas psychiatre mais j’aimerais bien connaitre le terme exact pour définir ces tarés.

je pense que ce gars est un troll. A bannir à mon avis, surtout après la “réponse” faite à Maryse, qui montre à quel point c’est un gros connard (pardon my french !)…
Sans doute un de ceux lassés par le site f***france devenu plus ennuyeux qu’un classe de latin…

• Miquelon.org and Ryan Tate quoted in the UAE Times (updated URL). – “Ryan Tate, a satirical writer on the gawker.com website, defended the cover. He recently drew the ire of miquelon.org, which says it monitors anti-French activity, for a humorous piece attacking “lazy, arrogant French doctors” who made Angelina Jolie stay in hospital for three days after the US actress gave birth to twins rather than letting the “tough American patriot” leave immediately.”
• This article was also noticed by Spectator.co.uk – “It’s not just The New Yorker that’s in trouble over the use of clever satire. Gawker’s gossip writer found himself being upbraided after posting these red-state thoughts about Angelina Jolie’s much-discussed pregnancy. As you can see from the comments section, Tate was still getting grief even after he explained that he had his tongue in his cheek. Perhaps his critics assumed he was one of those Americans who have no sense of irony.”

10 to 1 says mrbadexamplez is a typical, over-inflated American kid who’s watched too many war films but actually is a big time coward who would probably crap his pants if he came under fire.

We may yet discover new facets; for instance, he may be, as Rangi Ram would put it, a “lying monkey”. That would be if he now came up with that he’s a serviceman in Iraq, trolling us from a Baghdad internet café. There’s so many phoney soldiers around with internet and the war…

Ok, well, I’ll let you sit on your (Blog Comment Rules #3), stuffing hamburgers sticky with the blood of Iraqis, Vietnamese, and whatnot down that gaping hole of a mouth you’ve got, and cursing us while you spew every sort of masticated filth at us. That’s the closest you’ll ever get to shrapnel.

I love France but I think that this is the funniest AT&T ad yet.  The dog is a riot!

There are bad hotels in every country.  The most offensive part is the bad French grammar.

Methinks all we need to know about that sorry little foul-mouthed cad is that he hasn’t got the nuts to use his real name. Typical of his ilk, and I suggest treating his presence as a purely prophylactic matter. ‘Nuff said.

“Murdering French: Is It Antigallicism, Or Is It Just Rank Ignorance?” One could write an Op-Ed on that topic. The opening scenes in Rush Hour 3 include a ‘Chinese’ actor trying desperately to sound like a native French speaker. The performance weakens a good interrogation scene with a fluent actress in a nun’s habit. There is no question that it was not deemed essential to the production to cast the role properly. Which is a shame, considering all the tongue-in-cheek French-American humor on display, especially with Yvan Attal and Roman Polanski having a great time hamming up the usual stereotypes. But back to the point: what really disturbs me is the shameless display of rank ignorance, both at the executive level at AT&T, and in the churning bowels of the advertising agency. Culturally, those people are yahoos with sheepskins, all craft and no culture. Shades of Allan Bloom…

This rather sickening cartoon seems at odds with Jeff Danziger’s record both as a decorated veteran and as a cartoonist who has not hesitated to go after the powerful when it was not the popular choice. I’d call him on that, and ask him whatever happened to his soldier’s sense of honor. And of course, he could also be asked whether he would have treated the exact same incident differently had it taken place in Britain or Israel. The odds of that?

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Philiippe Dambournet & André Wernesson Says:

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lol
He’s back for more, isn’t he ?

he’s obsessed with us

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Laissez le pauvre petit morveux s’exprimer. Il represente assez bien le systeme scolaire americain.